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S2E4 - INTJs vs ENFJs w/ Austin, Katrina, and Leah (Part 2)

Episode Description:

In this episode, I am joined again with my INTJ sister-in-law. However, this time we are also joined with Katrina and Austin who so happen to be both ENFJs. We talk through different scenarios and how each of us would react in that moment. You can tell from the first scenario how both personalities can be complete opposites. Let us know on social media how you felt about the episode and if you relate.


Some parts of the transcript may be edited for better readability, but the content remains the same. Mostly removed duplicate words, vocal filler words, and added/removed some words for clarification.


Continuation from Part 1...

Meliza Manalo 38:50

So for me, usually I write an outline, and I prep when I do my solo episodes. But these ones where people are involved, I don't really prep as much. Because it's just a conversation. I want it to be as live as possible. But anyway, so coming into today's podcast, first of all, Casey was the first one to text me this morning. And I was still in bed. (Laughter)

Katrina Lim 39:17

Of course.

Meliza Manalo 39:17

And I was like, who is texting me right now? (Laughter)

Katrina Lim 39:28

I mean, for myself, I think that's where my extrovertness comes. Like I'm excited to see my people type thing. But then I came in kind of nervous, because again, public speaking kind of makes me nervous just because...

Meliza Manalo 39:43

Yeah. I think I'm used to public speaking. Like I did a public speaking class and I've spoken out in front of large groups of people before and I facilitate meetings constantly, like too much. So I'm kind of used to it and then I've, you know, done this podcast for a few months now. But going into this is very like... I was very calm and serene. And I just got up, I cleaned up the house a little bit and prep all the stuff before Casey came here and it was just very quiet and I didn't have any music on or anything on. It was just quiet. And I was just in my zone getting stuff ready. And then here comes a knock on the door. Bright and shiny Casey coming in. (Laughter)

Leah 40:39

Yeah. She texted me too.

Katrina Lim 40:41

I texted everybody. (Laughter) I just think it's funny. Like, I don't know, I just can't sit in the silence. When I get in the car with my mom and she has no music playing, I'm just like, how do you just drive? And she's like, "You know, you just relax here." I'm just like, what? It's just not my cup of tea. Like, if I'm... I don't know.

Meliza Manalo 41:09

You have to have constant stimulation.

Leah 41:13


Katrina Lim 41:15


Meliza Manalo 41:16

I can be in the silence for a long time.

Leah 41:20

Yeah, I feel like it doesn't bother me. But I do like listening to music a lot. So, most of the time I'll be listening to music.

Katrina Lim 41:30

Like, I can listen to it the whole entire day. If I have one earpiece all day, solid.

Meliza Manalo 41:39

I think I'm a little bit kind of like Louie in a way that I do kind of like the chaos but I think we talked about this too, in a previous episode, about how we grew up with chaos. Like every Saturday, Sunday morning, the TV's on. Our parents are cleaning and cooking. And it's just always noise constantly. So, now that I'm working from home, I'm home by myself. But I always have a podcast playing. Because I like the chatter. Like I don't know what they're talking about, 80% of the time, but I like the noise of just people talking. That's why I always listen to podcasts where there's more than one person. There's just like that constant chatter in the background, but I'm not actually listening to it.

Austin 42:24

It feels like when I'm working, I can't like... I like to put in music. But if I have a podcast playing, I can't work. I stop working and start listening. And I'm just sitting there listening. And I'm like, oh, yeah. That makes sense. And then I'm typing... I start typing what they're saying. And so, I can't listen to a podcast when I'm working.

Meliza Manalo 42:49

I learned how to drown people out. Like, I need to remind myself because I'm so used to that cuz my mom talks like a milli second. And I have to remember to listen to her. But when she starts talking, my brain just goes down. My eyes glaze over. And then she'll ask me a question. And then I wouldn't even know what to answer because I wasn't listening. My mom's voice, that's just like my instinct. My brain just knows to like, turn it off for a second. (Laughter)

Katrina Lim 43:27

So, then one of the questions is like, how often do you daydream?

Meliza Manalo 43:33

Do I daydream? Constantly.

Leah 43:35

Oh, I daydream all the time.

Meliza Manalo 43:37

All the time. I'm a thinking introvert.

Leah 43:39


Katrina Lim 43:40

I hardly ever daydream.

Meliza Manalo 43:42


Katrina Lim 43:42

Here and there.

Leah 43:43

Do you daydream often?

Meliza Manalo 43:45

Yeah, do you day dream?

Austin 43:47


Meliza Manalo 43:48


Leah 43:48


Austin 43:49

Oh, all the freakin time. But I'm also a Pisces, so we have like unrealistic...

Leah 43:57

Oh, yeah. You're the same as Fabian.

Austin 43:59

Yeah, unrealistic ideas. Fabian is kind of different because Fabian is not like an emotional type of person. Okay, in public he's not an emotional kind of a person.

Leah 44:13

No. Not in public. No.

Austin 44:15

And I feel like maybe it's something I am. Like people always say my facial expressions are barely there. But I don't know Fabian is like a different type of Pisces. I don't know. I mean we're not the same person. So, sorry about it.

Leah 44:32

You guys get along.

Austin 44:35

Yeah. We get along. But yeah. Oh, my God. I know this isn't related to the podcast, but there is this Taylor Swift song. So, I was on Spotify. And Fabian was listening to Taylor Swift. And I was like, oh, I'm gonna make fun of him and send Leah the screenshot. You know Fabian, like he's like... it's Fabian, you know?

Leah 45:02

Macho man.

Austin 45:04

Yeah, I sent it to Leah. And then all of a sudden now I'm in love with Taylor Swift because of him. It's the weirdest thing.

Leah 45:14

We bought a lot of his friends in to her, too.

Meliza Manalo 45:17

That's funny.

Leah 45:18

That's funny. Oh, we never... I think me and Austin haven't answered the question. Mia's question about the podcast.

Meliza Manalo 45:31

About the podcast. Yeah.

Leah 45:35

For me, yeah, the first time, I definitely was super nervous. I'm always really nervous about a public speaking type of situation, too. I've definitely gotten way better at it. Because in college, I had to do it so often. And I had a lot of classes with only six students in it or something like that. So, it made it easier to do those things. And so, I got used to it. So, I'm not as nervous anymore. But the first podcast, like I'd never done a podcast before. So, I didn't really quite know how to prepare for it. And knowing me, I'd really like to plan and prepare for things. And I think with that one, I think that one we didn't have a whole lot prepared. Or I didn't have to do a whole lot of prep for it? I think you did?

Meliza Manalo 46:25

My first one?

Leah 46:26

Yeah, I'm trying to remember what the first one was.

Meliza Manalo 46:28

Oh, yeah, I did all the prep. So, I just asked you questions.

Leah 46:31

Yeah, that's what it was. So that was like, pretty nerve wracking, because I'm the type of person that where I write out a script, usually, for everything. Like word for word.

Katrina Lim 46:43

That's what we have in common.

Leah 46:44

Yeah. And in high school, that's how I did my presentations, I would legitimately write a script out and just memorize it if I could. Even though my memory is horrible. But that's how much presentations just scared me. But now after doing a handful of them, I'm like... like today, I was not prepared today. It was like 12:58. And Casey texts me. And I was like, Oh my god, I thought it was still 11 o'clock and we were starting at 1. With my time. And then I'm like, oh, shoot. I still haven't prepped for this. I didn't look up what I thought I was gonna look up like I didn't do anything. But I wasn't nervous about it. Just going into it. And it's easier because it's you guys. So... Awesome. Your turn.

Austin 47:38

I think, for me, I was fine with it. Like, I was like, whatever. And then the minute I saw that recording thing go off, I was like... (Laughter) So, it was just like 10. And then as time goes on, you know, it's fine. Like, I didn't even want to introduce myself. Like, it just...

Leah 47:57

That's how I was.

Austin 47:58

I get nervous. And then it just like... it's fine. And whatever. Like, I think like a public speaking type aspect, I don't really have a problem with it. There are times when I get like nervous, like public speaking depending on the group or anything, or it also depends on what I'm talking about. Like if addressing someone, like whatever. But if I'm training someone on something, and it's like a bunch of people, it's a little bit harder.

Meliza Manalo 48:27

Yeah. I think podcast is just easy in general. Because we don't think about people who are listening once we get in the groove. And it's just like us talking, just like friends talking.

Leah 48:40

I try to remind myself that this is actually like a podcast. It's not just a conversation between us. It's meant for other people too, listening. (Laughter) Hi there, listeners.

Meliza Manalo 48:56

And this will probably end up being a pretty highly downloaded episode. Because anything related to MBTI, people eat that up. (Laughter) That kind of podcast.

Leah 49:09

Yeah, it's interesting.

Katrina Lim 49:12

I mean, cuz you're brain opposite. So you know, they're listening all to the situations.

Meliza Manalo 49:17

Yeah, they're like, I'm an ENFJ. And my best friend's an INTJ. What did they talk about? (Laughter) However it's similar.

Katrina Lim 49:26

I mean, yeah. In other aspects, the way people look at zodiacs. You know, there's so many... people just like to relate to other people.

Meliza Manalo 49:36

Mm hmm. It's validating.

Austin 49:40

Yeah. And I think everyone tries to find out. Because they are other people like me. Or...

Leah 49:48

Yeah. Is this normal? Am I normal?

Austin 49:50

Yeah. Am I normal? Like Leah saying that she wants to do autopsy type deal thing. Like, I'll never forget when Leah said that in community college and there was a time for her to sign up as to get hired somewhere for that. And I was like, you're insane. Like you wanna work with dead people? (Laughter)

Leah 50:14

Remember when I left work to go to a cadaver class?

Austin 50:21


Leah 50:22

Yeah, explaining that to the bosses was a bit weird. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 50:27

I need a leave to go see dead people. (Laughter)

Leah 50:29


Austin 50:32

And they're like, "Okay..."

Leah 50:34

Still one of the coolest things I've ever done.

Meliza Manalo 50:37

Did you ever go to that bodies revealed thing?

Leah 50:40

Yes. Miguel took me when I was in elementary school?

Meliza Manalo 50:46

Oh, really?

Leah 50:47

Maybe Middle School? Yeah. He took me a long time ago and I thought it was the coolest thing.

Meliza Manalo 50:53

It is so fascinating.

Leah 50:55

I held my very first bone ever. It was a calcaneus.

Meliza Manalo 51:01

Like how you showed your.... (Laughter)

Leah 51:06

It's kind of ball shaped. So...

Meliza Manalo 51:11

Oh, for people who can't see us, Leah did a little... What do you want to call that? Like a cupping over... (Laughter)

Katrina Lim 51:26

See how that computer...

Meliza Manalo 51:27

Oh, I have to buy one.

Katrina Lim 51:28

I know. But that's lame. It should already be included with like all the computers. You know what I mean?

Meliza Manalo 51:33

I built this computer.

Katrina Lim 51:34

Oh, shoot.

Meliza Manalo 51:35


Katrina Lim 51:36

That's crazy. (Laughter) Build it better next time, Mia.

Meliza Manalo 51:41

My bad. Yeah, next time. Next time. Anyone else have another one?

Austin 51:52

I have one about parties. And I feel like this has been mentioned in a previous podcast. But your guy's family has an insane amount of parties. And a particular party that I want to know how everyone handles is when Leah comes back. And also, Fabian's family and friends.

Leah 52:18

Oh, yeah. Like our engagement party?

Austin 52:21

Yeah. So, how do you handle situations with people you've never met before that are going to be there?

Leah 52:30

Oh, like in your family party?

Austin 52:32


Meliza Manalo 52:34

Oh, okay. That's what you're saying.

Austin 52:38

Yeah, so like, people that you've never met before, that are coming to what you normally always have. A group of people. Leah.

Leah 52:50

Okay. So for me, obviously, I had already known Fabian's family that came for a while. I mean, not that long. But I was pretty comfortable with them at that point. And so for me, it wasn't more so like, "strangers", air quotes, being at my family party. It was more of the nervousness of our families getting along. Which I didn't really like... I didn't doubt that they would get along, because they're very similar. You guys saw. They know how to party. My family knows how to party. So I was like, well, it probably will turn out good. Like, it'd be okay. And it did end up being a really good night and a lot of fun. So, I wasn't like super nervous. And now that I've moved away, I do love these family parties a lot more. I used to not really care for them that much when I was living back home, just because we had them all the time. So it was like... and I just liked being alone a lot too. So, it was hard for me to go to those all the time. But sometimes I do crave them. Like I said, I like that kind of chaos around me. And it's even better that it's family. So, I'm even more comfortable usually. But yeah, I mean I wasn't all that nervous, even though you'd probably expect me to be pretty nervous about that. That sounds really fun. And I look forward to more of them.

Katrina Lim 54:30

Okay, I'll go. Well, so for me, I mean, depending on the host. If it's in-laws, I'm going to be respectful and acknowledge them, but I'm not going to be hanging out with them the whole entire night. You know what I mean? But as for like, I don't know, family to other family, I don't know. I feel like it's...

Meliza Manalo 54:52

It happens a lot with you guys. And it's just kind of business as usual.

Katrina Lim 54:58

Mm hmm.

Leah 54:59

Mm hmm.

Austin 55:00

But Katrina you invite friends to your family parties. Do you ever get nervous with your friends meeting your family or any of that?

Katrina Lim 55:10

I mean yes and no. But I'm more like, I want to invite you guys to have fun. I know, I'm gonna be busy. So, that's why I offer for you to bring a friend but like, it's nice if I know them too, you know, at the same time. So that they're not by themselves, you know?

Meliza Manalo 55:30

Like, the more the merrier?

Katrina Lim 55:32

Yeah, 100%. The more the merrier is my... the better, you know?

Austin 55:37

Mia is like, "No."

Leah 55:39

That's what. I always want to invite people to our family parties, just because they are really fun.

Austin 55:46

You guys' family parties are different than most family parties, I feel. You guys are pretty wild. Like, I don't know any other family that has a cowbell that walks around shots on a tray.

Meliza Manalo 56:00

The shot tray?

Austin 56:02

Yeah, the shot tray.

Leah 56:04

That's hilarious. That's true. Very true. Yeah, I always want to invite people to our family parties. Because there's people here where I will get into a conversation or whatever. And I'm like, God, I would love for you to come to one of my family parties and experience that because I feel like you would love it. That kind of thing. Definitely has to be specific people, though. There are definitely people where I'm like, I know you would not enjoy that.

Meliza Manalo 56:37

Yeah, exactly. So for me, for Leah's party, I think I got really lucky. Because me and Tanya, your mother-in-law, we connected really quickly and we became vodka sisters. So, I didn't have to mingle and talk to the rest of the Guillamas. Because I was like, okay, Tanya has got me. And she approached me. Well, that's how all my friendships are. People approach me. And so, I think I just got really lucky that at least one of the other family members talked to me.

Leah 57:16

Oh, that's cute. I didn't know that.

Meliza Manalo 57:18


Leah 57:19

That's so cute. I like that.

Meliza Manalo 57:22

But I don't know. I'm definitely really nervous. And I'm not the one to approach the person. I'll wait till they approach me. Like I'll smile. I think I'm smiling when I look at them.

Katrina Lim 57:37

I saw the scribble thing for your horoscope. It's like Capricorns happy. (Makes straight face) Capricorns Mad (Makes straight face). Straight face for all of them. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 57:50

Yeah. So that one I didn't, like, obviously, we would have to go cuz... I mean, you know, it's one of those... It's not like just a regular party on a weekend.

Leah 58:02

There's actually a reason for it.

Meliza Manalo 58:04

Yeah, it was meant for something. And so, we had to go. But if we didn't have to go like if this is just like a regular Saturday, quite honestly, there have been times where you guys had your families together. And I just didn't go. Flat out didn't go. And that was fine.

Leah 58:24


Meliza Manalo 58:25

But situations where I have to go. Luckily, people either push me or are just like, I don't know. Just hang out with Brandon or whoever I already know. How about you, Austin? Austin, you're like... Well, you're practically part of our family.

Leah 58:39


Austin 58:40

Yeah. I cling to whomever. (Laughter) Katrina is kind of like a co-host always.

Katrina Lim 58:48


Austin 58:49

Always making sure everything's okay, everyone has everything. So like, she's always running around just checking on people. So, I always cling to whoever I know is there and it's usually you, Mia. Or it will be like if Patrick's home, it'll be Patrick. Like, I will go with whomever I know. Sometimes it'll even be Leah's mom. I think for me, like going to a party and social situations like that, I have like... I always... Because I'm gay, it makes it harder for me to feel accepted anywhere.

Leah 59:30

Because you don't know how people feel about it sometimes.

Austin 59:33

Yeah. And so with Fabian's family, for example. I know Katrina's family is, fine with it, whatever. And like, it's awesome that they are and they don't look at me any different because of it. But Fabian's family had no idea. And so it was like a worry of mine, you know? I don't know. I'm like, obviously during like... I had to be kind of on my toes and I couldn't be my normal self. Just because I didn't know what people feel or whatever and then Fabian dad comes along and just throws that whole thing.

Leah 1:00:08

Yeah, you guys were dancing together at the wedding. I love that video of you guys dancing to Abba-Dancing queen. (Laughter) You guys had your arms around each other.

Austin 1:00:21

It's so funny. It's just like whatever. And, you know, I mean, obviously, I just get nervous in any situation with a new group of people if they're older. If they're younger, and they're not straight guys, I don't really care. But if they're straight guys, I have to be kind of cautious. And they don't know if that has to do with high school and being in the closet in high school. I'm not quite sure what causes that or if other gay people have that. Whatever.

Leah 1:00:51

I'm sure that's still a thing for a lot of people. Because it's not... I mean, it is a lot more widely accepted now than it was before. But you still... you never know.

Austin 1:01:04

Even five years ago.

Leah 1:01:05


Meliza Manalo 1:01:07

Even in general, I get nervous around straight guys. I think it maybe is because in movies, they're always depicted as a bunch of bros who always tease people or prank people and like... like you have to be cautious around them.

Austin 1:01:31

That's true. Cuz I know, in high school, there were situations like that too. And so, you see things and then you're going to be stuck with that for like ever. Or, you know, you're not going to be.... I'm going to throw this out there. You're not going to be invited to a party because you are, you know, gay.

Leah 1:01:49


Austin 1:01:51

Yeah, Leah. (Laughter) But like, you know, you do get kind of concerned about that. Like, are people going to be accepting? But I think of me, personality wise, I cling to whoever I know. And it's kind of hard to make close friends or like, you know, be super close to people when everyone's drinking. You know, you're like....

Leah 1:02:22

It's like a hit or miss. Sometimes I make friends easier with people because they're drunk or I'm drunk. Or, I don't know, something like that. Or it just has to be the right mood or whatnot. But like, otherwise I do. And then it's like, weird when you see them again, and you're both sober. And it's completely different. It's like a whole different situation. I don't know. It's like, wait, are we still kind of friends? Or was that...

Meliza Manalo 1:02:58

Do you remember me?

Leah 1:02:59

Yeah. That kind of a thing. I've definitely been in those situations here especially with it being such like a military town. They're always drinking out here. So...

Meliza Manalo 1:03:13

That's a sad statement. (Laughter)

Austin 1:03:15

Yeah. (Laughter)

Leah 1:03:20

Especially in the winter, there's not much to do in Virginia in the winter.

Meliza Manalo 1:03:23

Oh, because it snows there, huh?

Leah 1:03:26

Not enough. Like it should snow more, but it's just cold. Like it's cold enough to snow. All the time.

Meliza Manalo 1:03:35

It doesn't snow.

Katrina Lim 1:03:36

See how cold my hands are.

Leah 1:03:37

It doesn't always snow.

Meliza Manalo 1:03:38

You're always cold. (Laughter) That gave me goosebumps.

Leah 1:03:44

She was like, "Eww".

Katrina Lim 1:03:46

Sorry, I touched you.

Meliza Manalo 1:03:48

I know. It's fine. I'm trying to, you know, exposure therapy. (Laughter) I'm trying to be more fine when people touch me. Like, obviously appropriately.

Katrina Lim 1:03:57

Yeah, I have a huge thing for physical touch. And I apologize all the time to people at work because I feel like...yeah. I'm just like...

Meliza Manalo 1:04:03

You always do this.

Katrina Lim 1:04:05

I'm so sorry.

Meliza Manalo 1:04:11

It's okay. I don't know what's with that. I flinch when people touch me.

Katrina Lim 1:04:17

So sorry.

Meliza Manalo 1:04:18

So, my first day on the job. This lady's super sweet, really nice. I think she's awesome and everything, whatever. But the first thing she did was asked if I can have a hug or like give me a hug because it was my first day. In my head I was like, b*tch, are you serious? But outwards I was like, of course.

Leah 1:04:39

I hate hugging strangers.

Austin 1:04:41

I don't like hugging people.

Katrina Lim 1:04:43

I'm not gonna ask for a hug on the first day.

Meliza Manalo 1:04:46

It was weird. I was like, why? Why?

Leah 1:04:50

I love hugs but I'm real specific with the people that I give hugs.

Meliza Manalo 1:04:58

Definitely. I love hugs from people you haven't seen in a long time. Or like, you know. Like I'll hug you, but not just randomly touching.

Austin 1:05:09

I think it matters. The hug. I don't like hugging two hands, two arms.

Meliza Manalo 1:05:15

Oh, you just do the side hug?

Leah 1:05:16

Side hug?

Austin 1:05:17

Yeah, a side hug. Like, oh hi! But two, I'm like, ughhh. I don't need it.

Leah 1:05:27

Oh my God.

Meliza Manalo 1:05:28

But we always do the full hugs. Don't we? Like when we see each other? No.

Katrina Lim 1:05:33

Us or Austin?

Meliza Manalo 1:05:35

Us and Austin.

Austin 1:05:36

I think we do, Mia. That's right.

Katrina Lim 1:05:37

I feel like I've given Austin a full hug. But Austin is definitely a side person.

Austin 1:05:43

I'm a side person though.

Katrina Lim 1:05:44

I've definitely given Austin a full hug.

Austin 1:05:46

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I have a picture of me and Leah doing a full hug. So, I'm gonna take back that statement.

Katrina Lim 1:05:54

It just depends on the person for you, too.

Austin 1:05:56

Yeah, it depends on the person. But I know for sure I don't like hugging people with two arms. So, I don't mind for all of you guys, because I've known you guys for so freakin long. What? Since I think 200.... 2008 yeah. Yeah, we knew of each other in 2007-2008. And then Mia, I think you're right after that.

Meliza Manalo 1:06:21

Yeah. 2010 is when I moved to the apartment.

Leah 1:06:24

I really didn't meet Austin till 2009. I remember the day, because we were walking to school. And Casey goes, "Oh, Austin's gonna walk with us." And as like, who's Austin? She's like, "Oh, he went to middle school with us." And I was like, who's Austin? I had no idea who you were at all. Like, you didn't look familiar to me at all. But also, I'm not a very observant person. And I don't know names and people in general. So, it wasn't a shock. But I remember her telling me that she had known you for a while. And I was like, how did I not know you then?

Austin 1:07:01

Yeah, she did know me because I know that we all went swimming together in that summer, the summer of '08.

Leah 1:07:07


Austin 1:07:07

Cuz we all... Yeah, I know for a fact, we all went swimming. Because my sister knew Kaylee.

Leah 1:07:16


Austin 1:07:17

And so, that's how I met all of you guys is through my sister, and....

Leah 1:07:23

I completely forgot about that. Because the first time I remember meeting you was walking to school. That first day.

Katrina Lim 1:07:31

You were playing tennis all the time?

Leah 1:07:33

That's not the first time that happened to me. I've had people come up to me and start talking to me, like they know me. And I'm like, I have never seen you in my life. And they know things that isn't super common knowledge. I'm like, have I talked to you before? And it turns out I have. (Laughter) It's real bad. It's very bad.

Meliza Manalo 1:07:55

Oh, my God.

Katrina Lim 1:07:56

I do have to leave within like...

Leah 1:07:59


Meliza Manalo 1:07:59


Katrina Lim 1:07:59

10 minutes or so.

Meliza Manalo 1:08:01

Oh, you got to leave in the next 10 minutes? Do we have time for one more? (Laughter)

Leah 1:08:08

I don't have anything.

Meliza Manalo 1:08:11

Well, Casey gotta get her lashes done. Your lashes, right?

Katrina Lim 1:08:15

Yeah. My lashes.

Austin 1:08:17

Yeah, I was gonna say it's crazy. It's crazy that we've known each other all for so long.

Leah 1:08:23


Katrina Lim 1:08:23

It's been a long time.

Meliza Manalo 1:08:26

It has been a long time.

Katrina Lim 1:08:27

I can't even think of the years anymore. Like, the last. I don't know, six... It's hard to think what happened that year. You know what I mean?

Leah 1:08:36


Katrina Lim 1:08:38

Was it 2016 or 2017?

Austin 1:08:41

I think for you guys, our relationship is very different. Because like me, my fault, okay. I can disappear for a little bit. And then I can come back and you guys are still just the same people. Still the same people. Nice, loving, caring people. And it's so different. Some relationships with people I've had or still have where you have to be in constant contact.

Leah 1:09:10

Yeah. Since I've moved out here. Like I come home and it's like, nothing changed really.

Katrina Lim 1:09:17

Aww. Yeah, for sure. Like, I would love to facetime more. It's like, I worked so much. I was actually just thinking about it the other day. And I was like I want to facetime them. I'm like, damn, it's already late. Like, you know?

Leah 1:09:32

Time difference makes it hard and I'm still in school. You work like crazy. It's just hard to stay connected with people in general. Especially now.

Katrina Lim 1:09:44

But that's why these little meetups are nice, too.

Meliza Manalo 1:09:47

Yeah. And it's like an archive, you know, of our conversations.

Katrina Lim 1:09:52

Oh, for sure. Yeah. I live off the memories.

Austin 1:09:55


Katrina Lim 1:09:58

That's why I started the YouTube cuz I wanted to reflect back on it.

Leah 1:10:02

Yeah, I was watching... I watched like five of your blogs the other day cuz I was like, I miss home. Like, I'm gonna watch these because they're fun.

Austin 1:10:11

Aww that's cute.

Leah 1:10:14

I got to watch Halloween. Yeah, cuz I missed Halloween with you guys. So, I got to watch Halloween.

Meliza Manalo 1:10:19

Oh, that was fun.

Katrina Lim 1:10:20

Yeah. Halloween was fun.

Leah 1:10:22

I'm still jealous of those games that you guys played.

Katrina Lim 1:10:25

Derek's very creative.

Meliza Manalo 1:10:26

Derek's so good at that kind of stuff. He can be a party planner.

Leah 1:10:30


Meliza Manalo 1:10:30

Austin didn't go.

Austin 1:10:32

No, I was hanging out with my cousin. Plus, again social situations when meeting people. I don't know who's gonna be there. And I have to plan my outfit. That's the thing, too.

Leah 1:10:46

You have always been weird about your outfits.

Austin 1:10:50

Yeah, I have to like... if I don't have anything that I like, I will go out and buy clothes specifically for a weekend. I don't know why.

Leah 1:11:01

It's pretty extreme.

Katrina Lim 1:11:03

I'm very extreme towards like last minute. Wow. Let's go.

Leah 1:11:11

Yeah. Katrina is the opposite.

Katrina Lim 1:11:11

Cuz I'm like, all right. I gotta go. My mom would hate that about me because I would always get us to the events, right? And then I'm just like digging into her closet. And she's like, "This is the thing. You like to go out but you never go shopping."

Meliza Manalo 1:11:27

That's the A and T. The assertive and turbulent in you personalities.

Leah 1:11:33

Oh, for sure. Yeah. It definitely shows Austin's turbulence. (Laughter)

Austin 1:11:38

What? Having to go get clothes?

Leah 1:11:40

Yeah, I'm also very weird about how I dress for certain things, too. It takes me forever to figure out what I need to wear for everything.

Meliza Manalo 1:11:50


Austin 1:11:50

Yeah, you never I mean... you're never know who's gonna be there, you know? You never know.

Meliza Manalo 1:11:55

I kind of have the same set of clothes that I wear all the time. That's why it always looks like I wear the same things.

Leah 1:12:01

I definitely wear the same things over and over again, because I find an outfit that I like and I'm like, Okay, that's it. All the time.

Austin 1:12:10

You know what? I just realized like I sit there and think people are gonna notice if I were the same thing over and over. And I just realized I never notice when people wear the same thing over and over again.

Leah 1:12:21


Meliza Manalo 1:12:22


Austin 1:12:22

Like Mia, I don't remember your outfits repeating. Like, I don't look at people like that. But I know some people do that.

Katrina Lim 1:12:30

I mean, obviously, if it's like first impression, and you're actually talking to them, you know maybe you will remember. But on a day-to-day thing.

Meliza Manalo 1:12:41

I don't think I really noticed that. Unless it's something like outlandish, like something crazy that they're wearing. But if it's just, you know, regular clothes, I don't really notice.

Katrina Lim 1:12:51

Well, it was nice talking to you guys.

Meliza Manalo 1:12:54

Yeah. Think of other stuff we can talk about.

Katrina Lim 1:12:57


Austin 1:12:57


Meliza Manalo 1:12:57

This was a good one.

Meliza Manalo 1:12:58

All right. I hope you enjoyed that episode. I hope Austin will go back and join us again in the future. We'll see. We'll see after this episode if he wants to do more. Anyways, happy birthday again, Austin! And to the rest of you guys, I hope you enjoy the episode and if you did, if you didn't let me know your thoughts. And if you're an INTJ or an ENFJ, let me know if you related to what we said in the podcast or in this episode. Alright, if you enjoy what you hear and want to stay up to date on the show, please follow me on Facebook and/or Instagram. You can also check out my website at All the information will be on there as well as in the show notes. Please help support the show by sharing it with your friends and family. Thanks so much and I'll talk to you guys in the next episode.

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