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S2E4 - INTJs vs ENFJs w/ Austin, Katrina, and Leah (Part 1)

In this episode, I am joined again with my INTJ sister-in-law. However, this time we are also joined with Katrina and Austin who so happen to be both ENFJs. We talk through different scenarios and how each of us would react in that moment. You can tell from the first scenario how both personalities can be complete opposites. Let us know on social media how you felt about the episode and if you relate.

Some parts of the transcript may be edited for better readability, but the content remains the same. Mostly removed duplicate words, vocal filler words, and added/removed some words for clarification.

Hey, everyone! This is Meliza. And I'm The Talkative Introvert.

I got another MBTI related episode for you all. This time, it's not just two INTJs ranting. Before we get into the episode though, I wanting to give a quick shout out to the newest guests on the podcast, Austin. You'll get to hear from him in a little bit. Happy Birthday Austin! I actually tried to get this episode out for the week of his birthday. He actually came up with today's topic, and was an amazing guest on the episode. I am super excited to have him on more episodes hopefully if he still wants to do it. Anyways, happy birthday again. Love you, Austin. Alright, let's get into it.

Leah 0:51

Quiet on the set. Quiet on the set. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 0:57

I'm joined today by Leah and Katrina. And we have a new guest on. Mr. Austin.

Everybody 1:04


Austin 1:09


Leah 1:13

Welcome, Austin.

Meliza Manalo 1:14

Yeah. Thanks for coming on.

Leah 1:16

Austin doesn't have any nicknames.

Meliza Manalo 1:19

Unfortunately, no. So, Leah's Louie. Katrina's Casey. FYI. For new people who are just joining. Okay, so in this episode, we're gonna talk about... What are we talking about? Oh, we need to first talk about your guys' MBTI. So, me and Leah already did like a couple episodes, but we're INTJs. So, go check those out. Those are like my most popular episodes.

Leah 1:51


Meliza Manalo 1:51

And then we're gonna reveal Casey and Austin's.

Katrina Lim 1:55

I need help finding it.

Meliza Manalo 1:57

You need help finding what?

Katrina Lim 1:58

What I indicate as.

Meliza Manalo 2:02

Did you guys get the same thing?

Katrina Lim 2:04

Are you A Austin?

Austin 2:06

I'm T.

Katrina Lim 2:10

We're the opposite.

Meliza Manalo 2:11

Yeah, so Casey got ENFJ-A.

Leah 2:15

I really thought it would be the other way round for both of them.

Meliza Manalo 2:18

Yeah. Me too. Oh, no, it makes sense. You're pretty... Yeah, I would say she's assertive.

Austin 2:24

Pretty. Did you hear that, Katrina?

Katrina Lim 2:27

Yeah. You're pretty yeah... (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 2:35

So, ENFJs are protagonists. Protagonists are natural born leaders, full of passion and charisma, forming around 2% of the population. They're oftentimes are politicians, are coaches and are teachers, reaching out and inspiring others to achieve and to do good in the world. With a natural confidence that begets influence, protagonists take a great deal of pride and joy in guiding others to work together to improve themselves and their community.

Leah 3:02

That definitely sounds like both of them.

Meliza Manalo 3:07

Okay. There's a lot of these. Why does this look like this? Some people would be Barak Obama, Oprah Winfrey.

Leah 3:18


Meliza Manalo 3:19

Ben Affleck, Sean Connery, Maya Angelou, Morpheus.

Katrina Lim 3:29

So, mine is the ENFJ-A. I got 83% for extroverted, 51% for intuitive, 74% for feeling, 57% for judging, and 57% for assertive.

Meliza Manalo 3:46

So, you're kind of in the middle.

Katrina Lim 3:48


Leah 3:48

That makes a lot of sense. I like how she has the high percentage on feeling because that's 100% her.

Katrina Lim 3:56

But see for me, I hold my feelings, you know?

Leah 3:59

Yeah, you are a very like... you're an emotional person. You very much think about the way other people feel.

Austin 4:07

If you ever see Katrina cry, you are also gonna cry. You will also cry.

Leah 4:13

Yeah. (Laughter) Heart breaking.

Austin 4:14

It is heart breaking.

Katrina Lim 4:16

Remember in the previous episode?

Meliza Manalo 4:19


Katrina Lim 4:19

You said when we were talking about our horoscope. So, Scorpios are really hard on their feelings and don't really share it with others.

Meliza Manalo 4:28

So, it's a Scorpio thing?

Leah 4:29

Yeah. Makes sense.

Katrina Lim 4:31

That's my inner moon.

Meliza Manalo 4:32

Yeah. Your moon?

Katrina Lim 4:34

My moon.

Leah 4:35


Katrina Lim 4:36


Leah 4:37

And then you got a really high percentage for extrovert too, which makes total sense.

Meliza Manalo 4:41

I know. 83%. I thought it'd be higher.

Katrina Lim 4:42


Leah 4:43

I thought it'd be higher too, honestly.

Meliza Manalo 4:46

But I think what was my...? I think mine's like 96% introverted or 93%.

Leah 4:51

I think mine was like 83% introverted. So me and Casey are like, complete opposite. Okay. Austin?

Meliza Manalo 5:03


Austin 5:04

I got ENFJ-T. So, I'm 56% extroverted, 70% intuitive, 51% feeling, 56% judging, and 75% turbulent.

Leah 5:19

Dang, that sucks. You're like me.

Katrina Lim 5:21

What does turbulent mean?

Austin 5:23

What is turbulent?

Meliza Manalo 5:24

Like, you're more like timid and more...

Leah 5:26

Second guess yourself.

Meliza Manalo 5:28

Uh huh. Cuz assertive, you're like confident and sure of yourself. And turbulence is the opposite.

Austin 5:35

Characterized by conflict disorder or confusion, not controlled or calm. (Laughter)

Leah 5:41

Okay. I guess... (Laughter)

Katrina Lim 5:42

Ummm. (Laughter)

Austin 5:47

Am I not? (Laughter)

Leah 5:51

No, I can see the T now.

Katrina Lim 5:54

Austin, you should figure out what your Rising and your moon is and...

Austin 5:57

I already know what that is.

Katrina Lim 5:59

You do?

Austin 6:00

We're gonna talk about... what else are we talking about? Social situations?

Meliza Manalo 6:03


Austin 6:05

And how we all differ handling them?

Meliza Manalo 6:09

Cuz me and Louie are introverts and then you guys are extroverts.

Katrina Lim 6:13

I have a situation already.

Meliza Manalo 6:15

Oh, you do? Okay.

Leah 6:17

This is gonna be really interesting too though because you two are the same for only... like differ in the A and T. And we are the same, me and Mia. And differ from the A and T.

Meliza Manalo 6:29

That should be our episode title. INTJs vs. ENF... What are you?

Katrina Lim 6:36

A. And he's T.

Meliza Manalo 6:37


Leah 6:37

We're all like opposites of each other.

Meliza Manalo 6:41

Except Austin. You're only 56% extroverted?

Katrina Lim 6:46

I think he is an ambivert.

Leah 6:48

Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me, too. Cuz, I think he'd be more extroverted but really in the middle.

Meliza Manalo 6:55

He's an ambivert.

Katrina Lim 6:56

He's got pretty middle for almost everything.

Meliza Manalo 7:00


Austin 7:01

My role is a diplomat, but my strategy is social engagement.

Katrina Lim 7:05

That's true.

Leah 7:06

It's funny because I relate these two like working because I've worked with both of you guys.

Austin 7:11


Katrina Lim 7:11

Exactly. So, leadership. You know?

Leah 7:13

Yeah. And I can see that in both of you guys because of work.

Katrina Lim 7:20


Meliza Manalo 7:21

Can I rate the strengths and weaknesses? Because they're very....

Leah 7:25

Odd point?

Meliza Manalo 7:26

Yeah. Okay, so your strengths are tolerant. So, protagonists are true team players and they recognize that means listening to other people's opinions, even when they contradict their own. And then reliable, definitely. Mm hmm. Charismatic, most definitely. (Laughter) Altruistic? I think so. And then natural leaders. We kind of already talked about that. And then your weaknesses, overly idealistic. So, people with a protagonist's personality type can be caught off guard as they find that through circumstance or nature or simple misunderstanding, people fight against them and defy the principles they've adopted, however well-intentioned they may be. They are more likely to feel pity for this opposition than anger and can earn a reputation of naiv... How do you say that? Naivety?

Leah 8:24


Meliza Manalo 8:25

Yeah. So, naive. Too selfless.

Austin 8:28

Am I naive? I don't think I'm naive. (Laughter)

Leah 8:36

You hit the button there.

Austin 8:37

Take that back. Because I feel like I am overly idealistic. Like, I give people the benefit of the doubt, even if they're not so great.

Meliza Manalo 8:50


Leah 8:51

I can see that.

Katrina Lim 8:52

Yeah, I could see that.

Austin 8:53

Yeah? (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 8:54

Cuz you're not necessarily naive. But you you.... what's it called? Like people might... you seem naive, but doesn't mean you are just because of your actions. And then you're too selfless which I think yeah. Sometimes.

Leah 9:11

Mm hmm. Selfless.

Austin 9:12

Katrina is the most.

Leah 9:14

Yeah. Katrina is absolutely the most.

Austin 9:16

I remember in high school making people freaking their lunch.

Leah 9:20

Bringing them balloons and cupcakes for their birthdays.

Meliza Manalo 9:25

Oh, yeah. I remember that. I remember cuz you stayed up all night one time to make people cupcakes or something?

Katrina Lim 9:33

I never really sleep anyway.

Meliza Manalo 9:35

And I was thinking like, why? Why do you do this to your friends? Just buy them. (Laughter) Too sensitive.

Leah 9:48

Yeah. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 9:53


Leah 9:55

Both of you. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 10:02

Fluctuating self-esteem. Ummm?

Austin 10:04


Meliza Manalo 10:05

Is that true?

Katrina Lim 10:06

Yeah, I could see that.

Austin 10:08


Meliza Manalo 10:10

Yeah? And then the last one, the struggle to make tough decisions. I don't know.

Leah 10:18

I mean, here and there, but I don't think it's like a weakness.

Austin 10:22

I mean, I sit there and I think like, I always do like the pros and cons. And then I overthink is that the right decision?

Leah 10:30

Yeah. You definitely overthink.

Katrina Lim 10:33

Overthink. Yeah. For sure.

Leah 10:35


Meliza Manalo 10:36

Cool. So yeah, totally agree. This is definitely you guys. So, we're INTJ. And you guys are ENFJ. So, you're opposite in the E and the F from me and Louie?

Leah 10:51

Yeah. Which makes a lot of sense.

Meliza Manalo 10:53

Yeah, that definitely makes sense. Okay, so we're gonna talk about different scenarios and how we would tackle it versus the other. So, how INTJs would tackle it and how ENFJs would tackle it. Right?

Leah 11:08

Yes. In our specific experiences.

Katrina Lim 11:12

I mean, is it all like, problematic or just situations in general?

Meliza Manalo 11:17

Just any situation.

Leah 11:18

Any situation.

Meliza Manalo 11:19

So, Austin. You said you had something?

Austin 11:21

Yeah. So, I think starting a new job. Because obviously, I just started that. But I want to know how you and Leah handle that. And then how Katrina and I handle it?

Meliza Manalo 11:38

Okay, so you've just started so you go first, then. (Laughter)

Austin 11:45

So, I think with me starting a new job, I felt nervous. And was kind of scared because it's the unknown, you know? But then, here I am a month into it. And I feel like I could run around and say hi to everyone and perfectly fine. Like, I'm like, hey, how are you doing and have a full-on conversation and joke around and be perfectly fine. But first month, I was obviously nervous, scared, felt like, was this the right decision? You know similar overthinking on that. But then now it's like, I feel so confident in what I do, and the people I work with and who I can talk to. Yeah, that was my situation how that worked. So, Mia?

Meliza Manalo 12:35

Okay. Now we're doing opposites and opposite?

Katrina Lim 12:37


Meliza Manalo 12:39

Okay, well, I just started my job last year. Oh, it's my one-year anniversary today.

Leah 12:44

Oh, congratulations!

Katrina Lim 12:44

Oh, my God! Good!

Meliza Manalo 12:49

I lost my other job. This is my last day at my last company. But yeah. So, I guess I was newest. Um, other than Austin. So for me, it's a lot of planning ahead of time. And I'm trying to think about how... well, it's different because I just switched sides. Like I went from private to state. So, it's not really that different. But I guess in general, when I start a new job, there's a lot of planning involved. And I always get to work like an hour early. Or when I used to work downtown, the day before, I drove downtown just to see what my route is and where like... exactly where the places and where is the parking and stuff like that. And it's just like, a lot of planning. And then when I actually start the job, like this new job, I have a lot of questions. Because I need to know exactly what am I doing? What what's my role? What are my responsibilities? What is the goal? What do I need to achieve in three, six, nine months, you know? And so I asked my manager, like a million questions. And there's nothing documented. Like, none of the processes are documented. So literally, the first thing I did was, got trained on it. And then I put everything into a job aid and documented everything that I learned. So that if we got a new person, I can just like give them a job aid. But it's very analytical and technical and very, I don't know, streamlined. And I didn't focus on the social aspect at all. I mean, I didn't like... I met my co-worker, but we didn't start having actual personal conversations until we had to go and sit next to each other. Because we're in different cubicles, and then they moved us so that we're closer together as a team. And so, I didn't do any of that social aspect.

Leah 14:49

No surprise there.

Meliza Manalo 14:51

Yeah. Even though I already knew some people because all I did was move from private to public, I'm not like a social butterfly at all. But that's how I tackle it. Very organized, very planned out, very stale. Like now I'm talking about it's very... Not fun. It's like work work work.

Leah 15:14

Sounds boring. (Laughter) Oh my God.

Meliza Manalo 15:20

Yeah, that's my story.

Katrina Lim 15:22

Okay, well, I guess I'll go. Okay, so well, I'm kind of like Austin. Definitely a social butterfly. I'm honestly really good with names. And I've always been since I was little. And like...

Meliza Manalo 15:36

I'm terrible at names.

Leah 15:37

Yeah. She's very, very good at names.

Katrina Lim 15:39

I would know who is in my class type thing. You know, like, who's kind of M-I-A.

Leah 15:45

Casey can still name everyone from high school.

Katrina Lim 15:49


Leah 15:50

And it's been like 8 years.

Katrina Lim 15:52

I could always just hop on for whatever's next, you know? I've been working since I was 16. And I've never really taken a break. Ever. Like, it was just a weekend break. And then that Monday, something different. But yeah, I always say hi to everybody and know everyone's name. I don't know. I just feel like it makes it more fun, you know?

Meliza Manalo 16:17

It's like your first... first thing you do is connect with people.

Katrina Lim 16:24


Meliza Manalo 16:24

I can see that.

Leah 16:25


Katrina Lim 16:26

Which is where that percentage of extrovert comes, right? 83%.

Leah 16:31

Yeah. (Laughter)

Austin 16:33

Katrina, were you nervous when you started?

Katrina Lim 16:37

Absolutely. I mean, that's normal for everybody, you know. You're gonna feel those feelings. Like feeling nervous. Something you don't knew. Know. (Laughter) Anyways, yeah. I mean, it's nerve racking, you know, working for where I work. And then...

Meliza Manalo 16:57

Oh, yeah. So, Casey works in the medical field, which definitely is scary right now.

Leah 17:03

You've been there... It's been over a year, right?

Katrina Lim 17:07

Yeah. Over a year. I started in September.

Leah 17:12

Oh. Okay.

Katrina Lim 17:14

It's crazy you guys.

Austin 17:16

Time flies when you think about it.

Meliza Manalo 17:19

Yeah. Seriously.

Austin 17:22

And Katrina you work with the direct public, right?

Katrina Lim 17:26

Oh, yeah.

Austin 17:26

Obviously. And then Mia, you don't work with the direct public?

Meliza Manalo 17:32

Absolutely not. (Laughter) I wouldn't have taken that stuff.

Austin 17:40

But Leah works with the direct public. Isn't that crazy?

Leah 17:44

I do. That's weird.

Meliza Manalo 17:45

Yeah. It is.

Katrina Lim 17:49

I mean technically career based after Louie's done, it's practically...

Leah 17:55

So, I'm not in the career that I want to be in right now. Like a stepping stone. I think I've mentioned before on the podcast. I'm a receptionist at a hair salon. Not what I want to do in the future, because what I want to do in the future is lab work. Like working on autopsies, specifically. So, that's the complete opposite of working with the direct public. I specifically decided to work with dead people, because I would rather do that than work with living people. So, that was one of the driving forces for that career path. Other than it being incredibly interesting. But yeah. But I've actually been in my job for... I actually hit four years, going into my fifth year this week.

Katrina Lim 18:49

That's insane.

Meliza Manalo 18:49


Austin 18:50


Leah 18:52

I've never been at a job this long before.

Katrina Lim 18:54

We can see that.

Austin 18:55

That's a really long time.

Leah 18:56

I can see that now. But yeah, I'm always absolutely terrified when I start a new job. I've had several jobs. So, I've been through that several times. But all of my jobs have been like retail or food industry or something like that. Besides the one....

Austin 19:20

Yeah, I was like, is it?

Leah 19:21

Yeah, I've also worked in an office, which was like the best thing for me, because that wasn't working directly with that many people. I mean, we had a team. But most of the day, you're in your cubicle and just minding your own business doing a computer work, and I love that. But yeah, I get really, really nervous. I always focus on the work first. Because my biggest fear is just not doing something right. So, I just focus on the work. I have to do it perfectly. Even though I'm just learning, I feel like I have to do it perfectly the first time. So I'm always super, super, super focused on that. It's funny, I relate a lot to what Mia had said. Because when I got to the salon, it's a small salon, there's two locations. So, I helped out a lot with creating like a training manual and stuff like that, because that didn't really exist when I first started. And I like things being streamlined and straightforward and knowing exactly what I'm going into, what is expected of me, what I'm supposed to do. I don't like having to guess about things. So, I did the same thing. Created a process. Eventually, I started training people. So, I used it a lot.

Katrina Lim 20:46

Sorry to interrupt you. Sorry. All I just want to say is we appreciate those people too, though, you know? Because the balance in life, if we didn't have you guys to have those brains, where would the manuals be? (Laughter) Everything in the world, right?

Austin 21:07

SOPs are lifesavers.

Everybody 21:09


Austin 21:09

Standard Operating Procedures.

Katrina Lim 21:11

I love those.

Leah 21:13

Yeah. Those are the best. They're so much fun.

Austin 21:20

Like, same with Mia. Like, I we both work for the state now. They don't have documentation of their procedures on anything. And then you're kind of just like, it's all for memory. So, you're like writing down everything. And then, you know, then you have to cut it into a document so that you can remember but also for anyone else to take over. You, Mia. You've got it done. Me, I'm just writing down. Haven't even started writing it. Writing procedures. But yeah,

Leah 21:53

Yeah, that's what I focus on. And then I realized that I don't really make friends very easily at work. Like right now I've been at my job for four years. I don't really hang out with very many people outside of work from work. It's fairly rare.

Austin 22:16

I'm gonna interrupt you because you do make a lot of friends. You moved to Virginia knowing no one and you've made friends.

Leah 22:26

Yeah, but I don't know. I feel like it's always changing though. Like...

Meliza Manalo 22:30

Not close intimate friends? Like acquaintances?

Leah 22:34

Yeah. I don't have a lot of super intimate friends here. I always feel like I'm getting like really close to somebody. Well, here it's like a lot of military people so they move away. A lot of that happens. I don't know. There's really only... Out of the four years I've been there, there's a couple people that actually do hang out with fairly regularly. And they've also... oh, one of them has been there for a few years too and really just now hanging out and stuff like that. So, it definitely takes me a long time to get to know the people that I'm working with and be comfortable around them and stuff like that. It's not my first thing like for Casey. And how Austin, you said after a month you're like comfortable with people. It takes me literally years to be comfortable with people. And even then sometimes, I don't know, I still never feel like fully comfortable. But I am with the job. Like with the work, I got it down. Like after a month, I'm good. I can do anything. Yeah.

Austin 23:43

Yeah, so I guess the next scenario, which is kind of a scary one for me. But shopping at a store that you've never gone to. Or going to new area and then going to a store. Does that make sense?

Leah 24:00


Meliza Manalo 24:01

Like a new city and a new store?

Austin 24:04

Yeah. So, yesterday for example, my cousin and I, we went to Pacifica because we were just going to go to the beach and....

Meliza Manalo 24:11

That's where I'm from.

Austin 24:12

I know. (Laughter) So, we went there and first of all it was awful because the line for anything was ridiculous. And we didn't pack any snacks or anything so we went to Target because Target's the same everywhere. It's gonna be designed a little different, but it's the same everywhere. So, we went to Target and immediately when I saw that parking lot, I got anxiety because there's so many people. And I don't like being around that many people just in general. Like I don't know why but I just don't. And then walking in the line for checking out and the line's just for the bathroom. The line for aisles. To go down aisles, it was insane. And it made me feel so uncomfortable, we ended up just walking out and leaving. We didn't even get anything. We just left, because it was just gonna take too long. Like impatient, but also just the anxiety around it, like that many people. And especially right now with a pandemic. I don't know where any of these people are from or like what they do or whatnot. So, I just didn't even want to be around it. But yeah.

Meliza Manalo 25:27

Well, if I'm ever going to a new city, cuz Brandon and I do sometimes go to different places because we like to see different places when we go on vacation. But I always plan ahead. So, I look at a map before I even go there. And so, I already knew where all the restaurants were. And it was just depending on what we were feeling that day. Sounds crazy. (Laughter)

Leah 25:54

I don't have the memory capacity for that.

Meliza Manalo 25:58

Yeah. Well, Google Maps, you can download offline maps, right? And so, you don't have to be on the internet to use it. So, I do that. I always search everything up. Like before I even pick a place to stay at for vacation, I look at what's there. Like, what's the type of restaurants that are there? What kind of grocery is there? Because we always do Airbnb because we bring Link. So, we know we can just buy food and just cook it at home, or the vacation rental. But if I had to go somewhere and go to a new store and it was that situation where there's just a bunch of people, and it's a new place, and it's also during like a pandemic, I would probably do the same thing as you, Austin. (Laughter) I probably would've just left. Cuz that's so... I mean, that was kind of how Disneyland was. I mean, I still had a lot of fun. And I love Disneyland and I want to go back. But the amount of people gives me so much anxiety. Luckily, I love Disney. But if I didn't, I don't know if I would go back. Because I can't... I don't know. I don't like a lot of people.

Austin 27:08

To jump on the back of that statement, I talked to my cousin about this yesterday. Like I probably wouldn't go back to Disneyland without Bailey. (Laughter) Her is a whole different experience. Just because like she's so....

Katrina Lim 27:24

She knows Disney by the back of her hand.

Austin 27:27

That but like her character and who she is, is so different than most people that she's just like, it's.... I don't even know how to say. Like, it's infectious how she just pushes through and goes but then how she's so excited to be there and stuff like that. It's so infectious. Like I straight up told her the first time I went that. We went in grad night and I hated it.

Leah 27:52

I haven't been since grad night.

Austin 27:55

Yeah, I never want to go back. I hated that.

Katrina Lim 27:57

No one wants to go back after that.

Austin 27:59

Yeah. And then going with Bailey. I was like, well...

Katrina Lim 28:04

Let's go again.

Austin 28:05

Yeah, that's a different experience.

Katrina Lim 28:07

We should go sometime whenever they open. All of us.

Meliza Manalo 28:10

And Leah. You would like this, Louie. So, when we would walk by certain attractions or certain places, or hear a certain song and Bailey is like, "Fun fact" and then she'll say a fact about it.

Austin 28:23


Leah 28:24

How cute! Oh, my God.

Katrina Lim 28:26

Yeah. When we visited Peter Pan, there's like secret things hidden. She's like, "Look out for the..." I don't know what...

Meliza Manalo 28:33

Yeah, she's like, "Oh, you'll love this."

Leah 28:35

Mm hmm.

Katrina Lim 28:35

"Oh, you'll love those." Yeah, it's fun.

Meliza Manalo 28:38

She can be a tour guide for Disneyland.

Austin 28:41

Yeah, she's so good at it. And just how she knows how to maneuver the park. Like we went from one end...

Katrina Lim 28:49

Oh, my God.

Austin 28:50

...all the way to the other end all the way through the other end in like 5-10 minutes. Like atmost. And it was packed. And it was during a weekend day. And we booked it. And she knows how to do the bath passes and everything like that. So, you don't even have to stress out about it. Like she just knows how to do. She makes it such a better experience.

Leah 29:10

Well, I can't wait to experience Disneyland with Bailey.

Meliza Manalo 29:13

Yeah, you get to do so much more when she's doing it. It's amazing. And she has a Disneyland guidebook. So, she had me read that. Have you guys seen that?

Leah 29:26

Oh, that's cool. No.

Austin 29:27

I haven't. No.

Meliza Manalo 29:28

She has a guide book and she has a spreadsheet of what to bring to your Disneyland trip. I told her to publish it on Amazon or something.

Leah 29:38

Oh, it's her own guidebook?

Katrina Lim 29:40


Leah 29:40

Oh, what?

Meliza Manalo 29:40

Yeah. She made it. I mean, she took ideas from other guidebooks, but she made it.

Leah 29:45

That's cool.

Austin 29:47

And obviously she practices with it well. So … (Laughter) So, no problem. Like ever since I went to Disneyland with her, I loved it. It's so much fun. So much freakin fun.

Meliza Manalo 30:00

Yeah, if I didn't have a Bailey, I don't know.

Leah 30:04

You wouldn't be going to Disneyland.

Meliza Manalo 30:06

Yeah. Like, maybe I'll go now that I know, but I wouldn't do half the things that she does.

Katrina Lim 30:13

Yeah. It's like if we didn't have Bailey to be with us when we go to Disneyland, it's like, we're gonna be doing the routine that we know. We're not going to be venturing out to something new. You know what I mean?

Austin 30:27


Katrina Lim 30:28

So anyways, back to what we were talking about.

Meliza Manalo 30:31

Yeah. So, new stores new city.

Katrina Lim 30:33

Yeah. So like, I don't know. For me lately, I feel like it's nice to spend time by... for yourself, right? And if you're gonna go to the store, I feel like as an extrovert, you want somebody there. As an introvert, it's intimidating to go in there because there's so many people, you know, like... but for me, I found my escape is music. I really love music. So, I will have one ear and then just enjoy my time, you know? My own little time just roaming around. But then going back to Austin's situation, like yeah. What's worth it, you know, I'd rather just go home at this point and just use my own bathroom, cook myself dinner with yada yada. You know what I mean?

Meliza Manalo 31:16

Yeah. It's rough. It's very anxiety inducing. I don't like shopping during the holidays ever. I did all my shopping on Amazon. Cuz like...

Katrina Lim 31:29

Holidays. It's like... yeah. There's a lot.

Meliza Manalo 31:33

Yeah. So, Aiden's birthday unfortunately is in December. So, we went to the store and there's children grabbing stuff. I think I bumped a kid in the head with my butt. (Laughter) And there's like... the thing that we got for Aiden was ripped because it looked like a kid tried to pull it or something. It was just like chaos. And I was like, Brandon just, you know, grab something and let's go. Let's leave. It's too much.

Katrina Lim 32:01

Yeah. Holidays are rough to shop. Definitely plan ahead. I learned that Black Friday sales, you guys. I spent.... I'm not gonna say the dollar amount. I mean, it wasn't a lot. But anyways, I was just gonna say like... (whispers) what was I saying? (Laughter)

Leah 32:24

I heard the whisper. That "What was I saying?" (Laughter)

Katrina Lim 32:27

Black Friday sales are amazing. Like I finished my shopping before December even started, you know?

Meliza Manalo 32:34

That's pretty smart.

Leah 32:35

I keep telling myself I need to make a savings just for Black Friday.

Katrina Lim 32:39

Yeah, I know. I tell myself that, too.

Meliza Manalo 32:42

My mom has a holiday savings account.

Leah 32:45

Oh, that's cute.

Meliza Manalo 32:46

Yeah, right.

Leah 32:48

Well, I might surprise you guys with my answer. I feel like it's pretty surprising for any INTJ or just any introvert in general. But I actually really love shopping. And I really love busy stores.

Meliza Manalo 33:05

You got that from your mom.

Leah 33:06

Yeah, I think I did. I was thinking and I was like, I got this from my mom. Which is weird, though, because I hated it as a kid. Well, not... It wasn't the people, like it being busy that I hated. It was just I was tired all the time. And I wanted to go home and sleep. But I actually like... that's one thing I do like about the holidays. I like the busy stores, but I don't interact with anybody. Like as long as I don't have to interact with anybody, I don't care. But I like that.... I think we talked about this in one of our episodes, Mia. About how I really like having chaos kind of around me. But I'm in my own little bubble. So, it's more like I'm just seeing it but not feeling it or experiencing it. Like I love going to Target and there's like a million people in there and I'm just roaming around by myself, just getting whatever. And I love, like, Fabian hates this about me. But I love to just go to Target just to relax. Yeah, I just go and I get things that I need but I also really like roaming and I like looking. I like just going to look at the stuff, looking at what they have.

Katrina Lim 34:20

I mean depending on the store. Like I hate shopping. I hate shopping. I will get what I want real quick and then just leave. But anyways. But target is just a different vibe.

Meliza Manalo 34:32

It really is.

Katrina Lim 34:32

That's the thing. Like when I just go in there and put my headphones, I'm just happy that I bought this sh*t I bought, you guys. Like...

Leah 34:41

Oh, yeah.

Meliza Manalo 34:42

It's January.

Leah 34:43

I do always end up with at least one thing that I didn't plan on getting.

Katrina Lim 34:48

Exactly. I always do that for a lotion.

Meliza Manalo 34:55

Yeah, that's different.

Leah 34:57

But yeah, I like that in general. Like I don't know, it doesn't bother me. Like, all the people around me. Because I'm really good at just separating myself from everything and kind of being invisible. But I just really like, it's almost like having company, but you don't have to try, you know? Cuz sometimes when you have someone with you, sometimes you have to converse with them, you have to... I don't know, you have to try to be interesting. It's exhausting sometimes.

Meliza Manalo 35:27

Was it being alone together, you know?

Leah 35:31


Meliza Manalo 35:31

Like Brandon will do his thing and I'll do my thing, but we're in the same room and I like being in close quarters with him. But like, I don't necessarily want to interact with him. Like just doing my thing.

Leah 35:42

Yeah, which is why I like going out when it's busy. And then I feel like I have that but I'm not actually interacting with anybody.

Meliza Manalo 35:54

That makes sense.

Leah 35:57

It is weird because I also really love being alone. It's like, it's really one or the other.

Austin 36:03

If you think about it, like do you feel like you're a people watcher?

Meliza Manalo 36:07

Oh, definitely a people watcher.

Leah 36:09

Kind of. Yes and no. Like, I don't know cuz I'm not super observant either. Like you all know that.

Austin 36:18

Yeah, we know that. (Laughter)

Leah 36:22

I'm just not the most aware person. I don't know. It's so weird.

Austin 36:29

You call yourself like observant or like a people... like I know you're a people watcher but like are you super aware of what's going on around you?

Meliza Manalo 36:38

I think so. Cuz people say that all the time. But I love... this is very Michael of me, but I love being at parties and sitting on the couch or wherever and just watching people. Like, I love watching people interact.

Austin 36:51

That's what she said. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 36:58

But I just really love doing that.

Leah 37:03

Oh, see I don't even people watch though when I go out. I just like having that hustle and bustle around me, I guess.

Katrina Lim 37:12

I feel like in my... depending on the situation, if you're just sitting and lounging, yeah. I'll people watch. But if I'm just doing my own thing, I'm not super observant. But I know what's going on type thing.

Leah 37:24

Yeah. That's how I am too.

Meliza Manalo 37:27

I hate that word.

Leah 37:29


Meliza Manalo 37:29

I have a hard time saying that word.

Leah 37:31


Meliza Manalo 37:32

Observant. Yeah. Cuz I want to pronounce the 'V' like a 'B'.

Leah 37:37


Meliza Manalo 37:38

Yeah. (Laughter) These are hard for me.

Katrina Lim 37:45

We all know which one I struggled with.

Leah 37:51


Katrina Lim 37:52


Leah 37:52


Katrina Lim 37:53

What was the state? Massachusetts?

Meliza Manalo 37:56

Massachusetts. Oh, yeah.

Katrina Lim 38:02

Deodorant? Deo-dodant. I'm telling you guys I'm partially dyslexic.

Leah 38:10

Casey, didn't you say you had a situation?

Katrina Lim 38:13

Yeah. I mean, like, coming in right now. As you guys are already here, I'm just like, already till 100 on it. You know what I mean?

Leah 38:21

Oh, yeah.

Katrina Lim 38:23

I mean, mine is just short.

Leah 38:27

But just like in general, like your demeanor, just could be walking into a new place?

Katrina Lim 38:31


Meliza Manalo 38:33

How about the scenario of just coming into this podcast? What did you guys like... How did you feel coming into this? Like doing this today?

Leah 38:43

Yeah, that's interesting. Who should we start with? (Laughter)

Continue to Part 2 to read the rest...

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