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S2E2 - INTJ Misconceptions w/ Leah (Part 2)

Updated: Sep 6, 2021

Episode Description:

I am joined again with my INTJ sister-in-law, Leah. We scour the internet for a list of INTJ misconceptions and share the ones that really speak out to us. The first half of the episode, we break down these misconceptions and explain why they’re inaccurate. Then the second half really is just two INTJs ranting about random stuff. Enjoy!


Some parts of the transcript may be edited for better readability, but the content remains the same. Mostly removed duplicate words, vocal filler words, and added/removed some words for clarification.


Continuation from Part 1...

Meliza Manalo 44:39

Did you get everything on your list?

Leah 44:42

Um, I had a couple of others. I don't know if they're that good, though. I mean, some of them I feel like could be lumped into other things. Like one of them I put down was that INTJs are not good in romantic relationships. I think that kind of goes with the emotionless robots thing. It could be lumped into that.

Meliza Manalo 45:04

Yeah, a lot of these can be like... Because I did have that and then I had the one where we don't put others feelings into consideration.

Leah 45:14

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that kind of goes with the selfish thing too I feel like.

Meliza Manalo 45:18


Leah 45:20

Yeah, that's hard. That's a daily struggle.

Meliza Manalo 45:24

That is. But I don't know. Like, I care deeply for my friends and family. And I'm always there for them.

Leah 45:34

Yeah, I do too. And I think people don't... no one realizes how much I actually do care, except for maybe you because you're the same way. You understand. But I feel like I can say it all I want, but it'll never come across is what I actually feel. Or maybe I'm not showing it.

Meliza Manalo 45:55

Yeah. I had a brain fart. I had something to say. And then it went away.

Leah 46:01

I have a lot of those.

Meliza Manalo 46:06

Oh, what was it? I had something about... Oh, shoot. It's dinnertime.

Leah 46:12

I thought you fed him already.

Meliza Manalo 46:14

I fed him early.

Leah 46:15


Meliza Manalo 46:16

He... Link's on the schedule, too. He eats 6:30 every evening and then he eats I think at 6 o'clock is when Brandon wakes up in the morning.

Leah 46:28

Oh, so it's on that 12-hour schedule. That's good.

Meliza Manalo 46:33

Yeah, cuz he can't like... it's not like where you can just leave a bowl of food out, you know?

Leah 46:39


Meliza Manalo 46:40

And he'll just eat it whenever he would like it. We were filling up... So, Link has this canister that has his dog food. And we were filling it up. And Link just came running because he heard it. And he tried to eat all of it.

Leah 46:59

While you're filling it up? Oh geez.

Meliza Manalo 47:00

Yeah. And I was like, I wonder if we just left this. If he would eat the whole thing.

Leah 47:05

He probably would. And then he'd puke it all up.

Meliza Manalo 47:08

Yeah. And then he'll eat it again.

Leah 47:10

Yep. Oh, yeah. I'm sure Maggie would do that, too. She doesn't. She surprisingly doesn't try to eat it when we refill her canister too. That's good. But she will. She's always looking for food.

Meliza Manalo 47:25

Yeah, Link's very... I don't know just something about food. Like he'll remember if a treat is slid under the fridge or under the couch or something and he can't reach it. And he'll remember every single day until you get it out. Every single day. And it's insane. Like the determination. Because it's just one kibble, you know, that's really nothing. And he'll just... he'll cry and whine until you get it out.

Leah 47:51

Yeah, Maggie will do that too. Because once in a blue moon, I'll feed her in the kennel and I'll just put it on the bottom of the kennel and not in a bowl or anything because she scarfs her food down. So, it helps her eat slower. And sometimes I get a piece of kibble get out of the kennel and underneath it. And I don't realize it. And then a few hours later, she'll be really trying to get at it. I'm like what is she doing? And I'll forget about it. And then she'll try to do it again. I'm like, what is she doing? And she's just trying to get this teeny tiny piece of kibble.

Meliza Manalo 48:27

It's insane. It's like they don't eat or something. Like they're starving.

Leah 48:31

I know. Like I feed you every day twice a day.

Meliza Manalo 48:35

Oh, so my mom got us the Roomba? Mm hmm. We named it Robo Link.

Leah 48:44

That's funny.

Meliza Manalo 48:45

Link's used to it now. But man, he was so angry when we first got it because we turned it on. So, Brandon slides the treats on the ground and has link chase it. It's the only way we can have Link exercise in the house because he doesn't like playing with balls or anything like that. So, we throw treats...

Leah 49:10

Exercising and eating.

Meliza Manalo 49:12

That's like the only way he'll do it. Cuz he doesn't play outside either. You know, like he just does his thing and comes in. Like he doesn't... I don't know. Whatever. Link's lazy. So, anyways Brandon was doing that and the Roomba sucked up his treat. And it was so funny. Cuz he froze for a second and stared at it. Like he was in disbelief or something or shocked. And then he just started barking at it like crazy. And he was just angry.

Leah 49:43

Oh my god.

Meliza Manalo 49:46

So funny.

Leah 49:48

He's like, dude, you stole my treat!

Meliza Manalo 49:53

He was not happy about that. He would not stop barking at him after that. Because he was fine. He was finally getting used to it.

Leah 50:01


Meliza Manalo 50:02

That happened. (Laughter)

Leah 50:05

Jesus. Link.

Meliza Manalo 50:07

His face, it was just like, utter disbelief.

Leah 50:12

I love dogs. They're so funny.

Meliza Manalo 50:14

So funny.

Leah 50:16

Did you have any more?

Meliza Manalo 50:19

Okay, I think we went over most of them. Oh, I didn't go through this one. So, I found this obviously in my research and it said something that we're so... I found in a forum. Like someone posts... it's kind of like one of those Reddit things. And someone asked like, what are the INTJ misconceptions? And some wrote that people think we're just naturally smart and didn't work for it.

Leah 50:50

Oh, yeah.

Meliza Manalo 50:52

And I was like, oh, that's a good point.

Leah 50:55

Yeah, I hate that one.

Meliza Manalo 50:56

Yeah, I absolutely hate when people think that I didn't work for something. Like if someone thinks I'm spoiled. It was just given to me or I didn't put in the legwork, you know?

Leah 51:11

Oh, yeah. I hate when people will say, "Oh, I couldn't go to college, because I'm just not good at it." And they're like, oh. And they'll tell me like, "Oh, I'm not like you." And I'm like, school never came easy to me. Yeah, I get straight As, but it's not easy. And I don't know. I don't understand how they don't see that. Because of all the times that I've missed out on things because I'm studying. Or have to go to class or something. And I've missed out on so many things because of it. And they legit tell me like,"I can't go to school because I'm not like you. I'm not smart like you." And I'm like, what?

Meliza Manalo 51:56

Yeah, I don't understand that.

Leah 51:58

Because all you got to do is try.

Meliza Manalo 52:01

Mm hmm.

Leah 52:02

Like, it's not gonna be easy. But you just have to do it.

Meliza Manalo 52:08

Yeah. I never understood that. Like, I don't know. Cuz college was hard. College was so hard. Like I was in the library a lot.

Leah 52:20

High School was hard. Yeah. I thought High School was really hard.

Meliza Manalo 52:25

Yeah. Oh, no. High school wasn't too hard for me.

Leah 52:29

It was so hard. I just remember all the...

Meliza Manalo 52:32

You took more honors classes and stuff than I did.

Leah 52:36

I literally took every single honors and AP class they offered except for, I think one AP class I didn't take. I could have maybe. I definitely took all the honors classes. And it was not easy. I felt so stupid in them.

Meliza Manalo 52:53

Because they're hard. And some... Yeah, like the AP classes, I feel like were probably harder than actual college classes.

Leah 53:01

Oh, 100%. That's why I think High School was harder for me than college. Yeah, college is still hard, but I would much rather keep doing college and go back to high school any day. They made it hard for no reason.

Meliza Manalo 53:18

High school was just easy for me because I dropped out of all of those honors classes and stuff. My dad was not happy about that. But the moment I realized that one, we're too broke to put me into any school other than a state school. And two, I'm not going to have money to put myself through that. And to move out to, you know, wherever the year, whatever I wanted to pick. I realized why am I working so hard if I'm just going to go to state school anyways? So, I dropped out of those classes.

Leah 53:58

Yeah. That was actually my biggest regret after high school. Like, after my first year of college, my biggest regret was taking honors and AP classes, because it didn't mean anything.

Meliza Manalo 54:12

Yeah, it really didn't do anything.

Leah 54:14

At all. Like I got out of one English class in college for my AP credit. But it really did not matter at all. Like no one cares that I took honors, this and that and AP, this and that. Like, it has never mattered in my college career. Especially because for the same reason as you, we didn't have the money to send me to a high end college or university and where that would have mattered. Yeah, exactly.

Meliza Manalo 54:48

So you know, for all you broke kids out there, just have fun in high school.

Leah 54:54

Seriously, though.

Meliza Manalo 54:56

Don't do honors. Don't do AP.

Leah 54:58

I didn't do anything in high school. Everyone has all these funny stories or just fun stories. Which I mean, I did have a good time. I had a lot of great friends and stuff, but there are definitely a lot of things that I felt like I missed out on and I could have done more or had more different experiences...

Meliza Manalo 55:19

Mm hmm.

Leah 55:19

... than what I had.

Meliza Manalo 55:21

Yeah, definitely.

Leah 55:23

Whatever, I'm here now. I try not to regret anything. I like where I'm at now. So...

Meliza Manalo 55:30

yeah, I definitely like where I'm at now too. Like I do miss college just for the learning aspect and the environment. But not for the actual work like doing group work and homework and all that stuff. But I like the...

Leah 55:47

Yeah. That's why I'm so excited to graduate so that I can just take college for fun.

Meliza Manalo 55:52

Yeah, I think when I retire, I'll probably do college classes just for fun.

Leah 55:58

Yeah, that's one of my biggest dreams actually, is to just take classes that I want to take, because I haven't been able to take classes that I want to take. Because I've been trying to finish my degree.

Meliza Manalo 56:11

Because it's free. Like, you don't actually have to enroll. You can literally... like we used to have umm... I don't know if you have at your school, but we used to have old people just come. Old people...

Leah 56:22

Old people.

Meliza Manalo 56:23

You know, people just come in and sit down in our class.

Leah 56:27

Oh, really?

Meliza Manalo 56:27

Uh huh. And they'll just like... as long as there's an open seat available, they'll just sit in the class and just learn with us. And it's completely free, because they didn't actually sign up. And they're not an actual student. But they'll just let you just sit there. It depends on the teacher too, obviously.

Leah 56:45

That's cool.

Meliza Manalo 56:46

And like how umm... What's it called?

Leah 56:49

How full it is?

Meliza Manalo 56:50

Yeah, how full it is.

Leah 56:53

But I will definitely be doing that in the future.

Meliza Manalo 56:55

Yeah, I was like, oh, that's cool. Because after obviously, like the first couple weeks, you know, people start to stop going to class. And so there's more room.

Leah 57:05

Yeah, it's like, half the classes left at the end of the semester.

Meliza Manalo 57:09

Yeah, exactly. I hated the professors who actually checked attendance. Have you had that yet?

Leah 57:19

Oh, yeah. It's the thing now, because the financial aid.

Meliza Manalo 57:23

Oh, really?

Leah 57:23

They have to. It's required now. Yeah.

Meliza Manalo 57:26


Leah 57:26

Because of financial aid. Because you can get dropped if you don't show up. And it affects the financial aid. So, every single teacher I've had in college since, I think, since like, after my first semester, every single teacher has had to take attendance.

Meliza Manalo 57:44

Oh, I didn't know that. That must be a new thing.

Leah 57:48

Yeah, I don't think they did it in my first semester, though. But after that. So, it's been a while since they started that. That's why I've been in school forever.

Meliza Manalo 58:00

Cuz there's been some classes that I just stopped attending altogether and only came for the exams and stuff because it was just such an easy class.

Leah 58:10

Mm hmm. Oh, yeah. I haven't had classes where I... In the beginning of my college career, like, within the first year, I definitely did not show up to a lot of the classes where I should have been dropped but didn't get dropped. So yeah, it's a fairly new thing.

Meliza Manalo 58:26

That sucks. Like, that's such a college thing to do is not go to a class.

Leah 58:31

I know.

Meliza Manalo 58:34

Took that away.

Leah 58:35

Especially if it's an easy class that you know you're gonna pass everything. Cuz I definitely, I would do that in the beginning.

Meliza Manalo 58:42

Yeah, I think there's one class. It was like my nap class. So, I still attended. I always took a nap because it was my last class of the day. And then I had to do the night shift.

Leah 58:53

Oh, my god.

Meliza Manalo 58:54

That was geography, I think. Yeah, geography. And it's not the locations. Like it's about clouds and stuff. Like the weather and all that stuff.

Leah 59:02

Oh. That's interesting.

Meliza Manalo 59:07

Yeah. It actually really is an interesting class. And I wish I did pay attention. It's just that it was it was like, it ended at 4:15 I think. I don't know why I remember that specifically. I think I remember that because it was just weird. Like, why did it end at 4:15?

Leah 59:21

I know. I hate the classes that are like that.

Meliza Manalo 59:24

And like, usually my days start early... Well, you know. You lived with me. But I'm usually out of the house before everyone's even awake sometimes. So, I'm just tired by that time. So, that was like my naptime. And I gotta be. So...

Leah 59:41

Oh my God. Yeah, I think I fell asleep in almost all of my classes.

Meliza Manalo 59:48

It's hard.

Leah 59:49

Oh, man. We're great role models right now.

Meliza Manalo 59:53

Oh, and Ava listens to the podcast.

Leah 59:56

Oh, god. Ava don't fall asleep in your classes.

Meliza Manalo 1:00:01

Or if you do just make sure, guarantee it's an easy A class.

Leah 1:00:05

Yes. (Laughter) Oh man, I've slept in classes so often. You know cuz I can't have caffeine. And I'm just tired all the time naturally.

Meliza Manalo 1:00:16

Yeah. I don't know college is like, unless it's... So if it's just the GE classes, right? I didn't take any of those seriously. I only took the ones where it actually mattered for my major seriously. And those are the ones that are actually interesting anyway, so I would have paid attention anyways. All the GE ones, as long as you get to a seat, no one cares.

Leah 1:00:40

Yeah, all of my GE classes, I took them online. I hate doing online if it's like a class I really need to learn something from. But all those classes didn't matter. I took them online. Easy A. All of them.

Meliza Manalo 1:00:58

It's so dumb, to be honest. Like you should just do. You just need...(Sneezing sound) (Laughter)

Leah 1:01:03

Is that Brandon?

Meliza Manalo 1:01:06


Leah 1:01:08

That was a gnarly sneeze.

Meliza Manalo 1:01:12

Gonna be in the audio now.

Leah 1:01:14

It definitely is. Link's pitter patter.

Meliza Manalo 1:01:17

Mm hmm. Like the first thing you do when you come in here is sneeze. (Laughter) What were we...? Oh, college. Yeah. That's what we were talking about. No, college.... Geez. College was fun.

Leah 1:01:38

We went on a tangent there.

Meliza Manalo 1:01:40

Yeah. It's just... uhh I wish I could talk to my early 20s self.

Leah 1:01:47

I know.

Meliza Manalo 1:01:49

Like with the things you know now...

Leah 1:01:53

Like so different?

Meliza Manalo 1:01:53

Ava, soak this in. (Laughter)

Leah 1:01:55

Yeah. I know. It's annoying because I hate being that person that's like, oh, enjoy it now! Because I remember when I was at age, I was like, I hate when people tell me that.

Meliza Manalo 1:02:08

Yeah. No, like I think I've caught myself a few times tell Ava like, enjoy being a kid, you know? Yeah. And it's just... I know, as a kid, you hate being told that because being an adult is cool. You do whatever you want, you know? No one can tell you when to go to bed or to brush your teeth and whatever.

Leah 1:02:30

You truly don't understand, though, till you are an adult.

Meliza Manalo 1:02:34

Yeah. And Brandon was saying recently how he even said, you'll understand when you get older and that's like...

Leah 1:02:45

Ugghh.. The dreaded phrase.

Meliza Manalo 1:02:47

Exactly. I was like, oh, no. I'm old. Now that I said that.

Leah 1:02:51

I know. I hated hearing that as a kid. I hated it. And now I find myself wanting to say that to people younger than me.

Meliza Manalo 1:03:01

Cuz they won't understand and there's no other way to say other than like "You'll understand later".

Leah 1:03:07

I know. Even my co-workers who are in their 20s are a little bit younger.

Meliza Manalo 1:03:11

Mm hmm.

Leah 1:03:12

I'm like, I try so hard not to tell them things like that. And it feels so old sometimes. Cuz I forget. I still feel like I'm 21. Like 20-21. And then I work with my coworkers who are like, 20 and younger. And I'm like, ah, there is a big difference. I'm actually 25. And there is a huge difference in just those five years.

Meliza Manalo 1:03:40

Yeah. It's crazy. Like, just in the span of your 20s how much you grow, you know?

Leah 1:03:48

Yeah. Yeah. It's so weird. Is that how you felt when we were hanging out? And I was like, 18, and you were... what? You're 4 years older? 3? You're only three years...

Meliza Manalo 1:04:00

I'm gonna be 29 soon. And you're 25. Well you're gonna be turning 26 this year.

Leah 1:04:05

I'm turning 26. Yeah. So, only three years.

Meliza Manalo 1:04:06

Yeah. Three years. No, that's definitely how I felt about you, Casey and Garcia while we were living together. I was like these children don't get it. They don't understand.

Leah 1:04:19

Yeah, I definitely see that now.

Meliza Manalo 1:04:22

Yeah, I felt pretty old living with you guys, to be honest. Because you guys were like new. Like new new.

Leah 1:04:30

Oh, yeah. We had just moved out of our parent's houses like... Man, I had only been working for a year, two years, maybe. No, I thinks it's only a year because I moved out when I was 19. I didn't get my first job until I was 18.

Meliza Manalo 1:04:50

Yeah. And like at that point, I'm already almost graduating, I've been through three jobs or four, whatever it was. And you know, experienced senior, I was actually old enough to buy alcohol (Laughter) And rent a car? Actually, no, not yet. That happened later.

Leah 1:05:12

I was pretty young. I felt old at the time. I was like, look at me! I'm moving out of my mom's house. I'm going to college. I have a job.

Meliza Manalo 1:05:23

I think that's why a little bit like... we were easily irritated by you guys, too. And there's like...

Leah 1:05:33

Oh, sure. Because I'm easily irritated by people who are younger than me. And I hate being that person. But it just happens.

Meliza Manalo 1:05:39

Mm hmm. Like, there's definitely been times where obviously, we've argued before and some animosity back then. And I definitely like looking back, it was definitely the age gap for sure. Now that...

Leah 1:05:54

Yes. I hated that was the reason too. Because I feel like I would get told it's because I'm young, or something along those lines. Like I knew it was because I was younger, and it would really irritate me, because I felt like I was more mature than my age. I don't know. I don't know if I actually was. I wouldn't say I was immature. But I mean, I probably wasn't as mature as I thought I was.

Meliza Manalo 1:06:25

Yeah. I mean, you're definitely more mature than the average person your age. I think that just kind of comes with the INTJ personality and like the introvert personality. But definitely not at the level obviously, as we were. Because we've already... we've moved out at 19 or 18. 18-19, something like that. And we were already in our mid 20s by the time you guys moved in with us. So... But it's better now. Definitely better. Now that you're old and married.

Leah 1:07:00

Old and married? Oh, geez. (Laughter) I'm not mad about it, though.

Meliza Manalo 1:07:07

No, definitely not. We're definitely gonna have this conversation in our 30s and then 40s. And then talk about how...

Leah 1:07:16

For sure.

Meliza Manalo 1:07:16 naive we were at 30.

Leah 1:07:19

Yeah. Oh, that's so weird.

Meliza Manalo 1:07:23

It is weird. Like, I don't know what's cool anymore. Like, what are kids Ava's age are even into? Like, I don't even know.

Leah 1:07:34

I don't even know, either.

Meliza Manalo 1:07:36


Leah 1:07:37

Yeah, like, I can't. I can't understand the TikTok thing, and I can't really get behind it. And I feel like it's probably how people felt when Instagram came out.

Meliza Manalo 1:07:49

Oh, definitely. Yeah.

Leah 1:07:51

But I'm all for Instagram. I'm on Instagram, like all day long. I shouldn't be but it's hard not to be. I grew up with Instagram because I got it in high school.

Meliza Manalo 1:08:03

Yeah, I don't understand TikTok either. And I had it and then I was really confused because they would just automatically play a video. And I was like, what? And then it would just go to the next video. I was like, what's happening? Why does it keep going?

Leah 1:08:22

I get so confused. I'm always like, what's the point of this video?

Meliza Manalo 1:08:28

Yeah, like, why can't I just pick the video I want to watch? So confused.

Leah 1:08:31

I know. I finally downloaded TikTok maybe a month ago. But I'm never on it. I never go on it. Because I refused. I refused for so long because I was like, no, I don't understand this garbage. It's stupid. And then I just got. I don't know why I downloaded it. Because people keep sending me videos of TikTok. And it wouldn't let me... At a point it wouldn't let me open them until I got an account. So it was like, great! Now I have to get an account to watch these stupid videos. So, I got it for that. Because Ava will send me things through her TikTok. And so, I want to watch the thing she sent me. But then I'm like, I don't know how to use this. So, I'm never on it unless someone sends me a TikTok video.

Meliza Manalo 1:09:24

Yeah, I deleted mine. I think I only had it for like a few days. And I was like, this is so frustrating. I hate this. And just deleted it.

Leah 1:09:32

It's so chaotic.

Meliza Manalo 1:09:34

It is. It's like constant... I mean, I guess that's what people talk about, right? Like kids nowadays need constant stimulation?

Leah 1:09:42


Meliza Manalo 1:09:43

Stimulation? Stimulation. And that's exactly what TikTok is. There's an unlimited amount of videos and it just keeps going and going whether you want it to or not.

Leah 1:09:55

Yeah, one day I do get stuck on it. And because the videos just keep going so I was just like watching them one after the other. And I guess I was watching them for so long that a video came up that said, "Hey, you've been scrolling for a while. Why don't you take a break and turn your phone off?" Oh, my God. Like TikTok has these videos placed in there.

Meliza Manalo 1:10:20

Uh huh.

Leah 1:10:21

So, when you've been on it too long, one of those videos will pop up and tell you to turn off your phone.

Meliza Manalo 1:10:27

Oh geez.

Leah 1:10:27

Sounds like this is really bad. So I don't touch it now unless someone sends me something. And that's it.

Meliza Manalo 1:10:34

Yeah. I know. Yeah. Don't get it.

Leah 1:10:37

Yeah. I can't understand how to use it because things randomly pop up. It's not like Instagram where you only see the things that people... that you follow.

Meliza Manalo 1:10:48

Yeah, but Instagram now has that weird... Like, you can either click 'View older posts' are it'll go straight to like these new posts. You noticed that? Like the upgrade?

Leah 1:11:02

I don't know if I've seen this yet. Oh, I feel old.

Meliza Manalo 1:11:05

And then there's like, they change the buttons around. And so, now it's basically like, TikTok. There's like a part of Instagram that's basically TikTok.

Leah 1:11:14

Oh, the reels?

Meliza Manalo 1:11:15


Leah 1:11:16

Yeah. I tried to kind of avoid that a little bit, too. Cuz that gets a little chaotic.

Meliza Manalo 1:11:21

Yeah. Cuz it's the same formula.

Leah 1:11:23

Yeah, cuz there's reels, there's the IGTV, and then there's the regular videos that people post that are neither of those things. They are just a video. And then there's like the photos.

Meliza Manalo 1:11:38

Yeah, what's the difference in reels and IGTV?

Leah 1:11:41

I have no idea.

Meliza Manalo 1:11:44


Leah 1:11:46

I think they're just adopting TikTok so that they're still relevant or something.

Meliza Manalo 1:11:51

Because I have, you know, the podcast Instagram. And it's a business account. So, it's not like a regular account. And they'll say, like, you know, oh umm.. What's it called? 'Create your first reel' or 'Create your first IGTV'. I'm like, what's the diff... ? I don't... What? I don't know what to record.

Leah 1:12:10

Yeah, I don't know, either. I just don't.

Meliza Manalo 1:12:15

Like am I supposed to do dance to something? (Laughter) Like, I'm so confused.

Leah 1:12:20

Oh, no one wants to see that. For me anyway.

Meliza Manalo 1:12:24

It's funny, cuz everyone has these dances. And it's like a TikTok dance. And I'm like, what?

Leah 1:12:33

Yeah. It's so...

Meliza Manalo 1:12:36

Am I supposed to know this?

Leah 1:12:37

Yeah. It's so hard not to watch it though.

Meliza Manalo 1:12:41

That's the thing. That's why it's so addictive. Because there's also like, 90% of TikTok is just cringy, right?

Leah 1:12:49

Oh, yeah.

Meliza Manalo 1:12:50

But you get addicted because it's so cringy, you can't stop watching yourself.

Leah 1:12:55

You're like, why do people do this?

Meliza Manalo 1:12:58

Yeah. Seriously, like why? It's like out there for everyone to see.

Leah 1:13:08

Yeah, it's strange.

Meliza Manalo 1:13:10

Oh, man.

Leah 1:13:10

Wow, we really went on a tangent there.

Meliza Manalo 1:13:13

Yeah, that's okay. It's not a podcast episode without a tangent.

Leah 1:13:19

The title of this episode should just be like, 'Two INTJs ranting about random things'. Or 'Ranting about TikTok'.

Meliza Manalo 1:13:31

Two old INTJs. (Laughter)

Leah 1:13:33

I know. That sounds bad.

Meliza Manalo 1:13:37

I can't believe I'm gonna be 29.

Leah 1:13:42

And that's pretty weird.

Meliza Manalo 1:13:44

It is weird.

Leah 1:13:45

Fabian's also going to be 29. And like... well, I guess you're slightly older than him by a month.

Meliza Manalo 1:13:51

Yeah, a few months. Yeah. Oh, Yeah.

Leah 1:13:53

Yeah, just one month.

Meliza Manalo 1:13:54

Because it's February.

Leah 1:13:55

Yeah, February.

Meliza Manalo 1:13:58

Yeah. Man. I mean, it doesn't matter. Like for me, it definitely doesn't matter. Cuz I'm not gonna have kids. So I'm not like, marching to that 35 deadline, you know?

Leah 1:14:11


Meliza Manalo 1:14:13

But still, it's just weird. It's so weird.

Leah 1:14:16

It's weird. It's weird to think that I'm gonna have a 30-year-old husband soon.

Meliza Manalo 1:14:23

I know. And Brandon's turning 30 this year.

Leah 1:14:27

I know and I still feel like I'm 20. Super weird.

Meliza Manalo 1:14:35

I know. Like, I still think of Mikie as the same Mikie as ever, you know?

Leah 1:14:42

It's like 10 years ago.

Meliza Manalo 1:14:43

Yeah. But like, he has a daughter who's already one, and then another baby on the way. And he's almost 30 and he's married. But I think it's because Mikie is so like... still plays Beyblades, right? We still play board games and...

Leah 1:15:04

Everyone still pretty much looks the same.

Meliza Manalo 1:15:07

Yeah, like we're all Asian. So, we don't age until we're like 50.

Leah 1:15:13

And then the white genes gonna hit. And we're gonna age real fast.

Meliza Manalo 1:15:16

Oh, yeah. (Laughter) Forgot.

Leah 1:15:18

No offence. I was probably really offensive.

Meliza Manalo 1:15:23

Well, you're half white. So, it's okay. You can say that. (Laughter)

Leah 1:15:26

Yeah. It's okay. Sometimes I forget that other people might be listening to this.

Meliza Manalo 1:15:32

Oh, I know. That's okay.

Leah 1:15:35

And that I should probably watch what I say.

Meliza Manalo 1:15:37

Yeah, I should watch what I say. But then I came to a realization. I think I said this in the last episode, but I'm gonna offend someone. I just know it. Like, there's just no way around it.

Leah 1:15:52

We were talking about this. Yeah, there really is no way around it.

Meliza Manalo 1:15:55

Like I'll try but there really... Especially cuz I'm trying to be true and genuine to my personality and who I am and my experience at least. A lot of people don't agree with my ideals and my beliefs and why I think so. I'm gonna offend anyone just because of that aspect of me. I just know.

Leah 1:16:20

That's true.

Meliza Manalo 1:16:21

That's why I don't want to get into the politics and stuff that's going on. Because believe me, I got my opinion. I'm not gonna talk about it. It's too touchy right now. Like...

Leah 1:16:39

Oh, especially now.

Meliza Manalo 1:16:41

Oh, my goodness. Like, you can't say anything around people. They'll just snap at you know? It's like, okay, so I just don't talk about politics at all.

Leah 1:16:50

Yeah, that reminds me of a video I watched today from that YouTuber. I don't know if I ever said her name. But the YouTuber is Aimee Y.

Meliza Manalo 1:17:00

Oh, yeah. I love her.

Leah 1:17:01

Yeah, Aimee spelled A-I-M-E-E. And... where was I going with this? Yeah, I watched her video. It was... it had something to do with what... Oh, oh, she was talking about how she really hates that people don't... people are just overly sensitive and can't understand like... how do I say this? How INTJs just come across as being harsh and cold hearted and stuff like that. Because, people are just too sensitive.

Meliza Manalo 1:17:45


Leah 1:17:46

And just can't understand our personality, basically.

Meliza Manalo 1:17:52


Leah 1:17:53

And they get offended easily by it. And she was like... She's like, "I don't care. Like if you get offended, that's your problem." I was just like, oh, my God, that's hilarious.

Meliza Manalo 1:18:07

That's true, though. Like, I don't know if it's just something that's now. Like, it's a now thing, like this generation or whatever, but people are so sensitive. Like, so sensitive. And it's insane. That's why I can't talk about anything around anyone sometimes. Like, I'd prefer just to be to myself. Like...

Leah 1:18:30


Meliza Manalo 1:18:31

I umm... Thank you to Casey. She taught me how to mute people on Instagram. So, you can like mute...

Leah 1:18:39

You can mute people?

Meliza Manalo 1:18:40

Yeah. So you can mute people on Instagram. Like their stories or their posts or both. And because I'm friends with some family members and friends who are just so emotional. So, I don't know, like too much for me to handle. So, I just muted their stories, because it's very hateful. I'm just like, I can't. I can't handle it. It's too much. We don't have the same ideals. But I still love you. So, I'm gonna still be friends with you.

Leah 1:19:14

But I'm gonna mute you.

Meliza Manalo 1:19:14

But not watch your stories. Yeah. You know, until like... because this happens every four years, right? Where everyone's in the hubbub about like, who's gonna win? Then after a while people kind of just forget, you know, like, it's really sad, obviously, like, the whole BLM stuff, right? How like, everyone's on Instagram, and everyone had like the black square, and everyone's like, gung ho like, Yeah! Bla bla bla. But then, it'll started to fade away. And that just happens with every single movement in every political like every presidency. It's like really hot and heavy and then...

Leah 1:19:54

Oh, up and down.

Meliza Manalo 1:19:55

Yeah. And then it dissipates. And then it's like, "Oh, yeah. Remember when we used to like post a black square on our Instagram page?"

Leah 1:20:03

Yeah. I'm reminded by it when I'm randomly stalking a celebrity or something and I scroll through and I see the black square. I'm like, what is this? And I click on it, I'm like, oh, yeah.

Meliza Manalo 1:20:15

Yeah, that happened. I'm just waiting for it to... because it just happens every time. Like people are so passionate about it at the moment, but then eventually, people just succumb to whatever happens, which is really sad. That's a really sad statement. Like, I'm sure our ancestors, like Susan B. Anthony and Martin Luther King, Jr. would be really upset that we just forget about it later. But...

Leah 1:20:42

We have all this, all this information and all this freedom of passing around this information however free that is now but yeah.

Meliza Manalo 1:20:54

But yeah, so it's just... it's too much like, everyone's so sensitive about anything and everything. And like, it's to the point where I feel like I can't even say anything.

Leah 1:21:05

Yeah. That's why I just avoid a lot of those conversations. Unless I know for a fact that the other person has the same ideals as me, then it's a little bit easier to talk about it. Which is... it's not really super healthy, because you're supposed to talk to the opposing side. But I just generally try to avoid most of it.

Meliza Manalo 1:21:28

Yeah. For me, everybody's the opposing side. So... (Laughter) No one has... other than Brandon, no one really has the same ideals that I do.

Leah 1:21:38

Yeah, the same exact. Yeah.

Meliza Manalo 1:21:41

Because I'm not but either Democrat or Republican, obviously, like I mentioned. And so it's just... And I can't talk to either my friends who are one or the other. Because then they just, I don't know, like they're all heated and angry about it. And that's just gets uncomfortable and awkward.

Leah 1:21:59

Yeah. And I frankly just don't care enough to be that heated or that angry anymore. Like I used to kind of, but then I'm like, well, I'm not going to go out and do anything about it. So, there's no point in me being this... Politics is not my passion, and never will be. So...

Meliza Manalo 1:22:20

And I'm silent about it. Like I don't post all that stuff on social media. Like, I just vote for whatever I vote for. No one needs to know what I vote for. I'm just gonna vote for whatever I believe in.

Leah 1:22:34

Exactly. Did my duties.

Meliza Manalo 1:22:35

Yeah, and then I don't mention it ever. Yeah, exactly. So like, you can be supportive of whatever political affiliation you want to be supportive of, without telling the world, you know? Like without being so out there and outlandish about it.

Leah 1:22:54

That's the introvert talking.

Meliza Manalo 1:22:57

Yeah, that's true. Because the people who do post are usually extroverts.

Leah 1:23:03


Meliza Manalo 1:23:04

No offence to them.

Leah 1:23:06

No, not at all. Like, I mean, if that's what makes you feel like you're doing something, then by all means, do it.

Meliza Manalo 1:23:15

Yeah, you do you.

Leah 1:23:17

Shouldn't be like, oh, you're not... you're a bad person, because you're not posting left and right about it and...

Meliza Manalo 1:23:26

Oh, I hate that.

Leah 1:23:27

I know, I hate that.

Meliza Manalo 1:23:30

Like, during the whole BLM part of 2020, what is it? Someone put a post, like, if you're not sharing, or spreading the word on social media, then you're choosing to stay silent and not be part of the movement or you're against color people because you're not sharing the word or blah, blah, blah, something like that. And that pissed off because I don't have to be posting. Because that's not me, that's not my personality. That's not who I am. And you're telling me that I need to change my personality just to show that I'm supporting something or not supporting something? Like no. I'm gonna do the thing I think is right regardless of social media or not.

Leah 1:24:28

I totally agree.

Meliza Manalo 1:24:29

Yeah. That made me so mad. Like, I'm a person of color. Don't tell me what... You know what I mean?

Leah 1:24:40

Yeah. That was so annoying. I've definitely seen so many posts about that. And I'm like, I'm not gonna feel bad. That's just not how I do things. So...

Meliza Manalo 1:24:52

Yeah, I do things silently.

Leah 1:24:54

Yeah, exactly. Silent warriors.

Meliza Manalo 1:24:59

Yeah. Definitely. (deep sigh) People. Oh, that's why I don't go on social media often.

Leah 1:25:11


Meliza Manalo 1:25:11

Like, yeah. Like most of the things I follow are just craft pages or something that doesn't have to deal with current events, basically.

Leah 1:25:27

Mine is all like... legitimately just like gym workouts, embroidery, some sewing, and then friends and stuff. That's about it.

Meliza Manalo 1:25:40

Yeah, that's about it.

Leah 1:25:41

And Yoga.

Meliza Manalo 1:25:44

Oh, yeah. I haven't done my Yoga today or yesterday. Because I didn't have time yesterday. Need to get back to it.

Leah 1:25:50

Doing today, after this. Yoga.

Continue to Part 3 to read the rest...

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