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S1E10 - Introvert Dating w/ Mia Russell

Episode Description:

In this episode, we talk about dating! More specifically, dating from an introvert’s perspective. I don’t know anything about dating and I have been out of the dating game for over a decade, so joining me in this episode is my amazing friend, Mia Russell. I ask her questions about her experience with dating, what dating apps she uses, how dating has been during the quarantine, and we discover an app called Anomo that supposedly is a great app for introverts. Along with being an introvert, Mia is also an artist. Go check her out on Instagram @captain_meowza and her shops at and

If you enjoyed this conversation, reach out to me on social media and let me know what other topics you would like us to discuss in future episodes with Mia.


Some parts of the transcript may be edited for better readability, but the content remains the same. Mostly removed duplicate words, vocal filler words, and added/removed some words for clarification. Added text are in fuchsia.


Hey, everyone! This is Meliza, and I'm the Talkative Introvert.

Meliza Manalo 00:12

In today's episode we're gonna talk about dating, but more specifically, dating from an introvert perspective. But before we get into that, I got a few updates for you guys, you guys know I love to talk about my podcast journey. I'm probably gonna take a little break from recording these episodes. You guys won't even notice I'm taking a break, to be honest. But I'm like, way ahead of time. So, by the time this episode gets out, like a lot of stuff has already happened since then. For example, this is Episode 10, but I've only gotten, let's see, what was it. Only episode six has been published. So, I'm like four episodes ahead of time. And it's like not really reflecting current statuses like my current status update. So, I'm gonna take a break, so that the episodes are a little closer together so that the, my updates are more current.

Meliza Manalo 01:16

But as of today, and as of the recording of this episode, I have created my own website. So I'm not using the Buzzsprout website, which is like pretty limited, but it's still awesome, because then people who are starting out don't have to create their own website, but I was just googling and then you know, social media likes to send you ads that make you think that they're listening to you. So, they must have been listening to me talk about my podcasts and how I was thinking about wanting my own website. So, I got the Wix ad, and they were having a sale. So, I decided to just go with it and create my own website. So that is available. It's I really wanted the talkative introvert, but I guess it's taken, even though I tried to type it in, it doesn't actually go anywhere. So, I don't know who has it, who bought it. I really wanted it. Because like the talkative introvert podcast is like pretty long, but whatever. It's easy.

Meliza Manalo 02:28

Links link says hi. Um, so yeah, so I have the website up. I started doing blogs, too. So those are, those are on their way up there. Those won't be like regular like the podcast episode. So right now, my episodes come out every Monday at 10am. Pacific time. blogs are going to be just like one I feel like writing or have the time to write and edit and upload those. So those won't be like on a regular basis. Those are kind of just on the side in addition to my podcast. But it's been fun doing that. So, I've always wanted to do blogs. And if you read my I think is my second vlog, I explained like how I really loved writing and writing was a really a big passion for me in high school and middle school. And I kind of lost that passion due to like, just stuff. stuff going on with my life. But it's been nice, like doing the blogs just on the side, just like this podcast. But yeah, go check that out on my website. And there's an option to leave a comment and all that. So, you know, if you like my blogs, if you want to continue the conversation, please leave a comment and I will try to respond to all your comments, assuming I get any.

Meliza Manalo 03:52

Anyways, so today's episode, we're going to talk about dating. However, I should mention, I know nothing about dating. I don't know anything about adult dating specifically. So, I've been with Brandon, my husband for let's see, it's 2020, for 13 years. So, you might be wondering, like, how old are you? So, we've been dating since high school. So, I met him freshman year and then he was a sophomore. And we went out my freshman year. Yeah. So, my freshman year, his sophomore year. So, we were both 15 when we started going out, but of course, it's high school going out. So, it's not like we went to a coffee shop or got a drink or anything like that. It was literally like we met each other in high school. He was my brother's best friend. And we like watched a movie together. But we had chaperones and so it wasn't like anything like adult dating whatsoever because we were both 15, we didn't even have our license yet. We had to have our parents drive us everywhere and all that. And we didn't like have a car or anything until like later, more towards like my junior year his senior year. But still, I kind of grew up in a pretty strict family. So, it's not like we went out to dinner and stuff like that unless it was like for senior ball or junior prom or something. Like homecoming. But yeah, no adult dating experience at all. I just know High School dating, which is just with my husband, because um, I don't really count all the all the guys. I only dated like a couple guys before him. But to be honest, they were really short. I don't count them really as relationships at all. like one lasted a month. So, Brandon really is my first and only real relationship I've ever been in. And I've never done any dating outside of that.

Meliza Manalo 06:05

So, you're wondering like well then, how are you gonna do a podcast on dating? Well, that's where my good friend Mia comes in. So, I finally figured it out the whole duel podcast, like having a guest on because I was trying to figure that out. And there's like different websites you can use. There's Zencaster. And we tried that out, but I was getting a lot of feedback on that. And I was echoing a lot and we couldn't figure out like how to fix it. And so, we just went on to Zoom because I guess Zoom you can record the audio and it doesn't sound that bad. So, I don't think it sounds bad at all, actually, to be honest. So, we just ended up with Zoom. So yeah. All right. Well, let's get into the episode.

Meliza Manalo 06:55

Okay, and then I shared my screen too, in case you wanted to like, look at the notes and ignore the noise in the background. Brandon's doing something, I don't know what he's doing. I don't know. Whatever. It's fine. Okay. Okay, so you're ready.

Mia Russell 07:14

No, but let's do it.

Meliza Manalo 07:16

Okay. I'm excited. Well, this will be fun. Okay, so, wait, what was I gonna say? I forgot what I was gonna say now. Now, like, you’re making me nervous because you're nervous.

Mia Russell 07:27

I'm not nervous. I don't know what you're talking about.

Meliza Manalo 07:31

All right. So, joining me today is my amazing friend Mia Russell. We've been... Damnit. Hold on. My phone just went off. Okay, start all over. So, joining me today is my amazing friend Mia Russell. We've been friends since high school. And...

Mia Russell 07:58

I'm an introvert too.

Meliza Manalo 08:02

Hold on. Let's restart. I got distracted by my phone. Let me put this away. God, people. People. Leave me alone. Okay. Joining me today is my good friend Mia Russell. We've been really great friends since high school, I think. What was our first class together? Actually, I think it was like English, right?

Mia Russell 08:26

Yeah. It was English. second period, sophomore year, I believe.

Meliza Manalo 08:30

Yeah. So, it's been a while. I'm not gonna say how many years.

Mia Russell 08:34

A long time.

Meliza Manalo 08:36

A long time. Mia's also an amazing artist. I will link her Instagram page and her red bubble. Please support a starving artist and go buy her art.

Mia Russell 08:50

Thank you. I appreciate that.

Meliza Manalo 08:51

Yeah, no problem. And then last but not least, but most importantly, she is an introvert.

Mia Russell 08:59

Yes, I am.

Meliza Manalo 09:02

And so today, we're going to talk about dating, dating as an introvert and dating in this whole quarantine pandemic apocalypse world that we're living in right now. Yeah, just Yeah. Hi. How are you?

Mia Russell 09:20

I'm doing good. You know, just swipe in every day.

Meliza Manalo 09:24

Just swiping every day.

Mia Russell 09:27

Yeah. I have to. I mean, I have to get out there every day.

Meliza Manalo 09:32

Yeah. So, I mentioned in my intro that I don't know anything about dating. I haven't dated. I mean, I don't even know if what me and Brandon did in high school was even considered dating to be honest. Because like, who actually dates in high school? You know what I mean?

Mia Russell 09:49

Yeah, you don't go on a blind date type thing in high school. You kind of know who they are beforehand, which is what I would love personally, but You know, I don't get that luxury in the adult world. You kind of have to suss it out on your own first.

Meliza Manalo 10:09

Yeah, exactly. And I don't, yeah, adult dating is like completely, like some other realm. Like, I have no idea what it's like, especially now like, I feel like now it's even way different with like, technology. And like all the apps that you guys use, that you guys use? Oh, yeah, single people use?

Mia Russell 10:29

Yeah, for sure.

Meliza Manalo 10:31

So, tell me like, how's it like dating?

Mia Russell 10:34

Well, at first, I was very passive about dating. Just kind of waiting for Mr. Right to break into my house and sweep me off my feet type of thing. So, after a couple years, I realized, hey, if I really want a relationship, I need to, you know, put in some effort, even if it's uncomfortable. As an introvert, in the beginning, it was very uncomfortable. But as far as online dating goes, it kind of helped to be hiding behind a profile at first, because you weren't like, you know, speed dating, you're like, Hi, this is Mia, I'm this person and having to introduce yourself, time and time again, in person, which really just drains me in real life. So, it's really nice to kind of hide behind the internet a little bit.

Meliza Manalo 11:33

So, would you prefer, like an app over, like, how it used to be where you have to, like, go to a bar or like a singles meetup? Or, you know, like, do you prefer the app more?

Mia Russell 11:44

Yes, just because I feel more comfortable trying to figure out who a person is, I can, honestly, I can Google them. Or, you know, Facebook, stock them a little bit, and make sure they're not a crazy person. And if you meet someone in person, that's great, but you don't really know anything about them. And that kind of puts you at a loss, I would say, you know,

Meliza Manalo 12:12

Mm hmm. But is that's, that's so interesting, because like, I don't even know how, like, I don't even have words for it. Like, I don't even know how I would do if I was single right now. Because I've known Brandon for so long. And to just like, find someone.

Mia Russell 12:30

you're really lucky to have someone let me just by saying that.

Meliza Manalo 12:35

Some stranger.

Mia Russell 12:37

Yeah, I mean, everybody I've talked to says that the, you know, the town we live in, first of all, is really hard to date in. And, and then on top of that, we're older. So, you know, there's limited selection available. And some people are like, Oh, I don't want to date somebody with kids. I don't want to date somebody who has been married before, but at our age, you know, part of that's inevitable, you're going to run into that. And you need to, you know, really step back, and see what you're willing to compromise on, I guess. I mean, there's a lot of things that you shouldn't compromise on, as far as feeling comfortable. Or, you know, feeling okay with a person or things that they do to you. Like, I haven't felt comfortable with a guy before. And I ended up having to break up with him because he made me feel uncomfortable. And you know, not good about myself, even though he was a quote and quote, good guy.

Meliza Manalo 13:42

Yeah. And so, it was this like a recent one of your recent dates.

Mia Russell 13:48

Yeah, I haven't really been on that many dates. I have a lot of, I would say high standards. They do stem a lot from being very anxious. And, you know, well, let me back up by saying, I'm an anxious restrained type introvert. So, if you took the if people listening, you know, took the quiz that you suggested from BuzzFeed, and it tells you what type you are, I'm anxious, restrained. So that means I'm anxious, and I try to like, hold everything back, hold back from running straight into a situation and getting hurt type of thing.

Meliza Manalo 14:36

So how is that like affected the way you're dating or like, getting prepared for dates and all that.

Mia Russell 14:44

It makes me really picky about who I choose to go on a date with. Which I wouldn't say is a bad thing necessarily. I just don't go on, you know, date after date after date. Like my extroverted friends have. I've only gone on a couple dates recently, like this whole year I've gone on like, six dates total. That's like one date per month.

Meliza Manalo 15:14

Yeah. Wait, you've been on six dates? You only told me about like a couple of them.

Mia Russell 15:20

Well, no, just six dates total two guys.

Meliza Manalo 15:24

Oh, okay. I was like, wait, Mia, what are you not telling me?

Mia Russell 15:29

No, I've told you everything. Trust me. Yeah. So, um, in order to meet up with them, I prepare by talking to them via text message or WhatsApp or whatever. I've, you know, feel comfortable talking through them to, to them through. Yeah, this one guy. I really liked him. And then all of a sudden, he's like, Oh, yeah, I live in Turkey. And it's just like, What? Why are you doing this? What? What's the point? You know, it's clearly not for a relationship. It's, you know, they want something else completely.

Meliza Manalo 16:12

Can't you set you're like, location, though?

Mia Russell 16:15

Yeah. And he had set it, he had set his location to Sacramento.

Meliza Manalo 16:21

Oh, that's weird. Yeah, I'll just do everywhere.

Mia Russell 16:26

Yeah, no, not really willing to take a plane over this. You know, I don't really have that kind of millionaire money laying around.

Meliza Manalo 16:34

Yeah. That that's weird. So okay. Um, so tell me about the apps because I know you've tried like to explain it to me once and I'm just like, what, um, but like, what apps do you use? Like, what is it like about like, what do you like about it? What do you don't like about it?

Mia Russell 16:55

I use, I would say actually use two apps. I've been on four or more. The only ones that I really remember are Bumble, OkCupid, Hinge, and Plenty of Fish, which I call PLF. Which, you know, it's So

Meliza Manalo 17:17

Oh, is it really?

Mia Russell 17:18

Yeah, it is. They shortened it down.

Meliza Manalo 17:21

They shouldn't have done that, but okay.

Mia Russell 17:23

Yeah, right? It sounds like POS. So, you know. Anyway, I really didn't like Hinge. Just because there doesn't seem to be a variety of people on there, it seems to be a very niche market. And it's more frankly, the kind of nerdy kind of guy that I'm not really looking for right now.

Meliza Manalo 17:52

Mmhmm just not your type.

Mia Russell 17:54

No, not really. I mean, I can handle quite a bit of nerdiness. But this is just, it was just too much. And it was like, one after the other. So, like, okay, there's a trend here. So, I just kind of let them come to me on the app. Because they can like or comment on your pictures or your comments about or answering your questions and stuff like that. And then it'll send it to you, you don't have to pay which is really nice. And so, you have to do like very minimal work on Hinge. Plenty of Fish, I hate I absolutely do not like at all. The quality of people on there just as far as messages that I get are rude. And they're not like, Hi, how are you? What's going on? They're like, sup, babe, you know. Something like that and it's not something you start off a conversation with somebody you want to be a potential partner with, like, seriously, and that's what I'm looking for. And then there's OkCupid, which I did get a date off of recently, which was nice for a while. Obviously, it didn't last. But what I like on there is that they have a percentage. Yeah, you take a quiz, basically, and it tells you how much you match with that person, like ideologically. And usually is a good score to have with a person is over 90% and it'll highlight it if it's over 90% matching.

Meliza Manalo 19:48

So, it's like how compatible you are with this person?

Mia Russell 19:51

Yeah, just as far as worldviews and stuff like that go.

Meliza Manalo 19:56

So, like how extensive is like, I don't know like, do you think take a quiz when you first start?

Mia Russell 20:02

you take a quiz when you first start, and it does occasionally update it. So, it's like, oh, take more questions or answer more questions, you don't have this filled out completely. So occasionally you do answer a couple more questions, and then you get more matches. On OkCupid, you do have to pay to see who are the people who liked you. I don't like that. Because, you know, obviously, I'm not going to pay an exorbitant amount to just see random people who like me, I'll just go through and swipe and match on my own. And there's Bumble. Bumble is the one where girls are supposed to contact them first. So, like, men do not have any control over contacting you right away. You have to send them the first message, and then they can choose to send one back. They cannot send pictures. So that's also a plus. Because on other ones, they can send pictures right off the bat. And you don't always get what you want there.

Meliza Manalo 21:17


Mia Russell 21:20

Yeah, I like Bumble a lot. But I haven't had any dates from it yet. I do like that. It tells you; it gives you like all their stats per se. Like if they have, if they smoke, if they have pets, if they have kids, if they've been married, their religion, their politics, all sorts of things. Just so you know, right off the bat if you're gonna be compatible, so instead of giving a percentage, it just kind of lays it out in a blurb.

Meliza Manalo 21:56

Oh, that's cool. I mean, that's a good idea. Because like, obviously, you want to be someone like, are you a cat person? Or a dog person? Or like, do you want kids?

Mia Russell 22:07

Exactly, yeah. Because on the kids’ part, it's like, have and don't want more or have and want more. So, you know, kind of what they're looking for. And sometimes to be honest, I do swipe if it's like, oh, have and want more, because I'm not sure if I want kids at this point.

Meliza Manalo 22:24

Yeah, that's a big deal, though.

Mia Russell 22:28

Yeah. And then also with Bumble, you can connect your Instagram and Spotify. So, they...

Meliza Manalo 22:36


Mia Russell 22:37

Yeah, they put your top artists on there, and so you can see what they listen to.

Meliza Manalo 22:45

That's interesting.

Mia Russell 22:47

To a lot of people music compatibility is a big deal. You listen to the same music, you tend to like, the same things. And kind of have the same belief systems, I guess.

Meliza Manalo 23:00

Hmm. Okay. I didn’t about that. Yeah. I mean, that's a good idea too. Yeah, that makes sense for people who are like, who really, really love music and really want someone to share that same love of music.

Mia Russell 23:14

Exactly. Or if you're, like, really picky about what you listen to, and like, for example, you like pop and rock and they like country. I mean, are you really guys gonna get along that well? To be honest,

Meliza Manalo 23:26

I mean, can you go on a road trip together?

Mia Russell 23:28

Right? Could you be in a car for more than 20 minutes?

Meliza Manalo 23:32

Okay, that makes Yeah. Okay, that makes sense now.

Mia Russell 23:36

Okay, so out of all of them. I really like being on Bumble. You can also pay to see your likes on Bumble as well. It's relatively expensive at $11 a week.

Meliza Manalo 23:49

Oh my god.

Mia Russell 23:50

Yeah, you can buy up to a lifetime membership though for like $150

Meliza Manalo 23:56

Lifetime? like you're never gonna find someone?

Mia Russell 23:59

Exactly why I yeah. I bought the one week one for and I didn't like it because it just kind of takes the fun out of swiping, I guess, takes the fun out of being on the app.

Meliza Manalo 24:17

So, hold on. So, swiping. So okay, I know about Tinder because that was like that big one, you know?

Mia Russell 24:24

Tinder basically started at all.

Meliza Manalo 24:26

Yeah, so you like swipe, what? Left or swipe right. If you like someone on someone?

Mia Russell 24:32

Yeah, swipe left, if you don't want to proceed with them, swipe right if you like them. If you both swipe right, it's considered a match. And it'll tell you Oh, hey, you match with so and so do you want to start a conversation? And on OkCupid either one of you can start the conversation and on Bumble it's the woman who has to start the conversation and they have to start it within 24 hours of matching. Otherwise, the match disappears.

Meliza Manalo 25:03

Dang! So, you have to be like on it like, right when someone matches with you and you like them, you have to like, pursue them right away.

Mia Russell 25:11

Exactly. And then after you message them, they have 24 hours to return the message. And same thing happens if they don't, it just kind of goes away and nothing ever comes of it, which is a waste of everybody's time.

Meliza Manalo 25:25

Dang. So, what if like they're just off like just didn't have their phone for one day.

Mia Russell 25:30

And then they're on vacation. They're just, you know, unplugging for a little bit that you're, you're gone. Let's it.

Meliza Manalo 25:38

Wow, that's like, like too fast. It's like way too fast for me. Like, oh my god, like let me think about it first.

Mia Russell 25:46

Right? Yeah, you kind of just have to jump in with both feet, which is, as an introvert something I've had to really learn how to do. Just because it's not something I normally do. I am, you know, you dip a toe in first. You don't just jump right off the pier.

Meliza Manalo 26:05

Mm hmm. That's very much you're restrained. Your restrained personality.

Mia Russell 26:10

Exactly. And on here, you cannot be restrained. Because it's full force ahead. Yeah.

Meliza Manalo 26:18

Oh, my God. It seems so like anxiety inducing. It's a lot. Especially if you're on multiple apps at a time too.

Mia Russell 26:28

Oh, yeah. And it's hard to keep track of who's on what app too.

Meliza Manalo 26:34

I do like the idea of Bumble though, because it's like, or like the woman gets the or is the one that actually contacts you. And I actually know someone who was on Bumble, and he was able to find someone and now they've been dating, like, for a while now. And it's like really good. Yeah.

Mia Russell 26:54

So yeah, Bumble is definitely like higher quality messages that I would say. You get they're more of conversations. Sometimes you do get the errant person who's just looking for a hookup. But that's a lot more rare on Bumble.

Meliza Manalo 27:14

Mm hmm. I feel like that's more like Tinder.

Mia Russell 27:17

Oh, yeah, for sure. I don't really use Tinder. I, I had it for a week maybe. And I just did not like it. I moved on to greener pastures.

Meliza Manalo 27:30

So, are you ever scared? So, if I was single right now, I think my one my number one fear would be like being catfished. You know, which I think that's why I kind of like Bumble. Because then you, you can like reach out and you can like do your, I don't know, you can google them or whatever you have to do. check them out.

Mia Russell 27:49

And being catfish is definitely a major concern. But you kind of have to know the warning signs of it. Like, their pictures look way too good to be true. They don't have anything written about themselves. Sometimes their pictures are screenshots. So, I just say, you know, hey, you know, after talking to them for a little bit, here's my number. I want to make sure you're not a catfish. Can you send me a picture of you today? Or something like that. Sometimes people say, Oh, hold this many fingers up or put a spoon on your head or something like that. Make sure it's not a fake picture.

Meliza Manalo 28:34

Oh, that's a good idea. So, is that what you do? Like do you like what do you what do you do to make sure they're not catfishing you?

Mia Russell 28:43

Just if they look too good to be true. I usually honestly just swipe left. Because if it's too good to be true, it usually is. And you can kind of tell when they're pictures from modeling agencies or magazines or something like that.

Meliza Manalo 29:01

Oh, like super high quality?

Mia Russell 29:02

Yeah. Like really good quality. Not the traditional bathroom selfie with a dirty mirror type thing.

Meliza Manalo 29:10


Mia Russell 29:12

Which is another pet peeve of mine is the dirty mirror when they take a selfie.

Meliza Manalo 29:17

Yeah, like you cannot just wipe it down. Like take a second to wipe it down.

Mia Russell 29:21

Yeah, it kind of shows who you are as a person.

Meliza Manalo 29:24

Yeah. Like, I can imagine what their room looks like.

Mia Russell 29:27


Meliza Manalo 29:28

that's interesting. Like, yeah, the whole app world. I don't know. I mean, I do like the idea because you can filter out people you know. So that's, that's a good, especially. Like you're saying, I mean, to clarify, we're not super old. Okay. We're not even 30 yet. Because you're like, at our like our age, but we're not like...

Mia Russell 29:52

But also most people in their teens expect to be married with children by the time you're this age, and You know, a lot of people aren't, it's just kind of a wakeup call that you get in life. That's, oh, hey, if I want to find somebody to spend my life with, I need to actually look instead of being very passive about it. And yeah, nowadays, you know, people don't really meet in the supermarket they meet online and through the app, as an introvert, it has positives and negatives. Positive, you get to hide behind the screen, a little bit. negatives, you really have to put in the footwork to you know, find someone.

Meliza Manalo 30:41

Mm hmm. And to like, keep up the conversation too you like, that's, that's like another thing people don't realize is that texting people, is also a social activity. Like it, it is pretty draining to, like, text someone constantly, and to like, have a conversation with someone.

Mia Russell 31:00

Yeah, especially if it's small talk. And it's like, yeah, how's the weather today? How's your week going? How's, you know, it's like, how do you start a conversation with somebody to catch their attention, but also not turn them off at the same time? So, I usually just do the boring Hey, how's your quarantine going? How's your day going? How's the weekend going? Depending on, you know, what time of the week it is. And, you know, I don't really get a lot of responses. But I don't really know what else to say beside cheesy pickup lines, which I don't think I would like so.

Meliza Manalo 31:38

Yeah. Have you ever looked up to see if there is an introvert dating website or dating app?

Mia Russell 31:47

I actually haven't, but I don't think it would be that successful just because the way introverts are.

Meliza Manalo 31:56

What do you mean?

Mia Russell 31:57

Like kind of passive? You know, not wanting to really get out there and be sociable.

Meliza Manalo 32:07

Hmm. Yeah, I guess so. I'm wondering like, because for you, like, would you want to date someone who's an introvert? Or would you want to date someone who's an extrovert or like, a mix of both, like,

Mia Russell 32:21

I would say a mix of both. There's definitely been times when I've been looking at somebody's profile. They seem like a great person, but they're an extrovert to the max. And it's just not something I want to be involved with. I need my alone time. And I need my indoor time. And these people just seem like, go go, go, go, let's do this. Let's go climb a mountain. Let's go have brunch with friends. And then you know, you kind of get burned out.

Meliza Manalo 32:58

Yeah. You'[re exhausted just looking at their profile.

Mia Russell 33:01

Yeah, exactly.

Meliza Manalo 33:03

Is there an option to say whether you're introvert or extrovert on the apps?

Mia Russell 33:09

Not on the apps that I've been on. Not that I'm aware of, but googling it now, they say that the best... sorry, best dating apps for introverts are actually OkCupid is number two. I've used Coffee Meets Bagel; I didn't really like that. And this one called Anomo? I haven't heard of that before. But I'm going to look it up right now because I'm interested.

Meliza Manalo 33:39

Yeah. Because then. I mean, it is a personality, right? It's a personality trait. So, I think it's important to know if someone's an introvert extrovert, because then you can be better prepared for the situation. Like, are you expecting a quiet, intimate dinner? Or are you expecting like this person to take you, I don't know, on some crazy scavenger hunt around the town? These things are important? Like I need to know.

Mia Russell 34:08

Uh huh, exactly. Um, okay, so I'm looking at Anomo right now. And it's first of all has two out of five stars.

Meliza Manalo 34:22

And this is supposed to be good for introverts?

Mia Russell 34:24

Yeah, it says everyone out I know most starts anonymous through an avatar. But you could reveal pieces of your real self that's 100% in your control.

Meliza Manalo 34:35

Is this like a game? That seems a little sketchy.

Mia Russell 34:38

Yeah, it says, chat one on one group chat with people nearby and play icebreaker games to discover things about others. This just seems like a mystery game. I don't want to play games. You know, I just want to be up front. And I guess that would be good for someone who's really shy and

Meliza Manalo 34:58

I guess it's a good one. I don't know. I mean, I like the whole idea that you don't know what you look like. Because that's I think that's one of the big problems, I have about these dating apps is that it's mainly based on your look, you know?

Mia Russell 35:15

Yeah, oh, it's 100% based off of your looks. Yeah, it's a it's, it's just a picture and then immediately swipe, swipe. Left or Right.

Meliza Manalo 35:25

Yeah. Because like, who's actually taking the time to look at the profile?

Mia Russell 35:30

If you're lucky, they'll take a look at it. But you have to like, first catch them with a picture. Which is another thing that I am not very good, bad, because I don't like taking pictures is that having a current picture that really reflects who you are and at the same time, what you look like and what you're up to, and without being just selfies. So, you have to be a little extroverted to, you know, get out there and look like you're, at least look like you're doing stuff.

Meliza Manalo 36:08

In your natural habitat. Like, like, how do you do that? Like, it's not like, I mean, I guess you could like put the phone like your phone somewhere and do like a timer, and pretend you're reading or something like that. Like, but then it's like, completely posed.

Mia Russell 36:27

Yeah. And that's the problem being an introvert is that you're in most of the time, you do have friends, but you don't see them that often. And when you do, if you don't like taking pictures, you don't take pictures.

Meliza Manalo 36:41

Yeah. And I'm not the one that would be like, Hey, can you take a picture of me just like, you know, candidly, so I can post this on my profile. That's a little weird.

Mia Russell 36:52

Mm hmm. So, I've had to be more self-aware of like, Oh, I feel like I look good. Today, I'll have somebody take a picture of me or I'll try to take a selfie. Even though you know that people think selfies are pretty vain. And I think they have a little bit of self-care in them. Because like if you're feeling good, and you want to confirm that, or if you want to remember that you got to take a picture. And how else are you going to do that? If there's no one around? being an introvert, you're at home, or you're out doing your own thing?

Meliza Manalo 37:27

Yeah, I get that. Because like, I get both sides. Like I get it being kind of vain, especially if you're like constantly and constantly taking selfies. But then there's like that good. That other aspect of it, where it's like, well, you want to take it because you felt good that day, and you want to remember how much you felt good that day. And like, look back on it, or something like that. So, I get that's

Mia Russell 37:48

yeah, and that's why I like when they have their Instagram connected, because you can see their most recent pictures. And if all of them are selfies, it's just kind of like, Okay, this person's really into themselves. But if they're, you know, with friends or doing something or taking pictures of even their food, you know, it's a little bit more compatible for me.

Meliza Manalo 38:10

Mm hmm. Yeah, I totally get that. I mean, I just posted a selfie the other day, and I haven't done that in forever. I don't remember my last selfie, to be honest. Like, it's weird for me.

Mia Russell 38:24

Yeah, and people, especially introverts should take more selfies, because it's saying, I recognize that I'm, I look good. And that, you know, I it's like having self-confidence to take the picture, and not delete it. And as an introvert, I've learned to be very self-critical and kind of down on myself a lot.

Meliza Manalo 38:51

Mm hmm. Yeah, because introverts are, like, more self-aware, I guess.

Mia Russell 38:55

Yeah, exactly.

Meliza Manalo 38:56

Apparently, thanks, Google.

Mia Russell 38:59

Yeah, so I've, you know, throughout my life have been more self-aware, and, you know, more cognizant of other people's feelings. And I don't want to seem vain or, you know, into myself by taking a selfie. But at the same time, you know, a certain amount of selfies are healthy.

Meliza Manalo 39:23

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I totally agree with that. I mean I'm not going to be posting...

Mia Russell 39:28

Yeah, it definitely helps the profile.

Meliza Manalo 39:30

Yeah. Yeah. Cuz then when you like, feel good. And you take a picture, and you have like that confidence, it shows. like, I feel like it shows. It totally shows. And I think people like that. people like your confidence, because there's like confidence and there's like, too much confidence. And that's when it gets vain. But yeah, the right amount like you can tell when someone like feels good about themselves. So yeah, that's my only gripe about apps though. It's just that it's picture first, personality later. That's why I kind of like this. What's it called? An a no mo? Anomo.

Mia Russell 40:07

Yeah, yeah, it's A N O M O.

Meliza Manalo 40:10

Oh, I get it. Anonymous. But I do like that idea. It's kind of like the voice. You know, like, have you ever watched the voice?

Mia Russell 40:22

Oh, yeah. Where they listen, and then they swivel their chairs around if they like the person.

Meliza Manalo 40:28

Yeah, so it's your voice that's more important, not your looks. So, I kind of like that idea.

Mia Russell 40:35

Yeah, I think if this app was kind of taken to another level, it would be great. But at the way it is right now, it seems like you're playing games to just get pieces of information. I feel like you should just kind of put the information out there except for the picture. And then maybe, you know, date someone based off of their personality and get to know them versus based off their personality.

Meliza Manalo 41:00

Mm hmm. It's like, Oh, my God. So, there's this show. It's called Love is Blind. Have you seen it on Netflix?

Mia Russell 41:08

No, I haven't.

Meliza Manalo 41:10

Oh, I mean, it's stupid. Because it's like, you know, one of those. Like the bachelor

Meliza Manalo 41:13

Yeah. But they don't see each other. Right. So, it's just this wall. So, someone's in one room. And then there's the person in another room, and they're just separated by this wall. And they just talk to each other every night. And then that's how they meet each other. And then obviously, then you pick who you want to actually be with. And then they reveal each other at the end of the show or like at the end of whatever. Yeah. And it's really cool. Like, I like the idea. But at the same time, all the people all the like, contestants, or whatever you want to call them are like super beautiful.

Mia Russell 41:15

It's a reality show.

Meliza Manalo 41:24

Of course, they are.

Meliza Manalo 41:38

Of course, of course they're gonna like how that person looks. Are you serious? Like this is stupid.

Mia Russell 41:59

If they were a little bit more realistic and used, you know, your average Joe on that kind of show?

Meliza Manalo 42:05

Yeah, because they're all skinny.

Mia Russell 42:06

They might have more realistic outcomes too you know, like, Oh, no, I don't want to be with this person, because they have a beard, and I don't like beards.

Meliza Manalo 42:15

Yeah. That's why like this show was a missed opportunity. They shouldn't made it, so it's just your average people, you know. What is it? The average girl in America is like size 14 or something like that?

Mia Russell 42:33

Oh, yeah. It's not what you see on TV at all.

Meliza Manalo 42:37

Yeah, none of these. None of these. None of these girls are a size 14. Let me tell you. Maybe their butt was size 14, but not their waist. So, I was like, disappointed.

Mia Russell 42:50

We're talking dress size here. Not butt, you know, pant size.

Meliza Manalo 42:55

Yeah. Because they like, so they'll reveal themselves. And, man, I am admitting that I watch like reality TV show. But they reveal themselves at the end. And the guy's like, Oh my gosh, she's so beautiful. She's more beautiful than I thought she would be. I was like, well no duh, because they only picked beautiful women to go on the show. Of course.

Mia Russell 43:18

Well, not saying that your average American woman isn't beautiful. It's just it's not Hollywood Beautiful.

Meliza Manalo 43:25

Yea, exactly. Sorry. I should've mentioned that.

Mia Russell 43:28

Yeah, no, I totally get it. It's magazine, Instagram, you know, that kind of perceived beauty. Which, you know, makes it harder to date as a plus sized person and an introvert. I feel like I have, you know, two things going against me there. Because they see the picture and they're like, No, I don't want to date a big girl, you know, type thing, but

Meliza Manalo 43:55

Hey, some guys are into that though. Some guys like their girls thicc, okay.

Mia Russell 44:02

Yeah, no.

Meliza Manalo 44:06

But yeah, I get it. That's Yeah, the whole picture thing. Ugh. Well, I don't know. Is this app that Anomo or whatever, is it free?

Mia Russell 44:17

Um, it looks like it's free. But hold on just a second.

Meliza Manalo 44:22

Maybe you should try it.

Mia Russell 44:23

It probably has upgrades that you pay for. I bet anything, it has upgrades

Meliza Manalo 44:29

Oh, I'm sure, but if it's free, you should test it out. You know, do a little experiment. And then maybe we can talk about it again in another podcast.

Mia Russell 44:39

Okay. I will download it right now.

Meliza Manalo 44:43

Whoo. Okay, because it's a good idea. Now that I think about it like it sounded kind of dumb. When you first talk started talking about it because it's like, sounds like a murder mystery game or something.

Mia Russell 44:56

Well, it kind of is like you have a fake name. Like a screen name and no picture and nothing.

Meliza Manalo 45:06

Is the avatar. Like, can you make the avatar? Or is it like?

Mia Russell 45:10

I think so. From the previews, it looks like you make a, like a bitmoji.

Meliza Manalo 45:16

Mm hmm. But that's not see, I wish it should be like completely anonymous, because if you can make an avatar obviously, you know, for you, you're blond, blue eyed. Like, guys will be like, ooh, I want the blonde one. Instead of just, like you know, thinking of your personality. Hmm, that's interesting. I don't know if you're gonna use it. Let me know how that goes. We can make an episode about it.

Mia Russell 45:40

I'm downloading it now. And so far, it looks pretty. I would say cheap, I guess.

Meliza Manalo 45:51

Okay. like one of those like, Candy Crush game looking.

Mia Russell 45:57

Yeah, like it's all animated type stuff.

Meliza Manalo 46:02

Huh? Interesting.

Mia Russell 46:04

Yeah. Huh. It's pretty weird. I'll register it later. Sorry.

Meliza Manalo 46:11

Okay. No worries. I was like, ehhh this is a podcast. I'm just kidding. Oh, I did want to talk to you about like, so we talked about apps and all that. So how is it dating? Since we're like, all quarantined right now, you know, we are dealing the pandemic. So yeah. Like, not only are you, you know, saying that you have struggles being anxious, restrained type, being an introvert, and all that stuff. But then we're also like, in the middle of a pandemic. So, I think Did you date someone during quarantine? Right?

Mia Russell 46:47

I did. I did a bad thing. I broke the rules. I didn't get sick, but I probably shouldn't have and, you know, restaurants were just opening up. We had been talking for a couple of weeks, actually, just because, you know, during quarantine, you can't really do anything but talk and you know, restaurants and bars, or no, the restaurants open first. So, we went to a restaurant that was also a bar. And that worked out just fine. I think the quarantine actually gives me a leg up because I get to talk to them a little bit more than normal.

Meliza Manalo 47:37

What do you mean?

Mia Russell 47:39

Like, you get to talk to them longer than they would expect a date. You know, like, some people are like, Oh, I'll talk to you for three days. And I want to meet up. This way, they're like, Oh, well...

Meliza Manalo 47:51

Oh, beforehand.

Mia Russell 47:53

Yeah, I have friends who are like, yeah, if I don't meet up with them within a week of talking to them. That's just, we're just being pen pals. So, the idea of the pen pal, kind of is turned into Oh, it's quarantine. You can't really do anything except be a pen pal right now.

Meliza Manalo 48:15

I see what you're saying. Okay. So, you got to like kind of know him more before you actually met like physically in person.

Mia Russell 48:23


Meliza Manalo 48:24

Okay, got it. Got it. So how was that? Like how was? Do you mind talking about your dates?

Mia Russell 48:31

Uh, sure.

Meliza Manalo 48:32

You don't have to do like in detail.

Mia Russell 48:35

I won’t, because I don't want to like, name names or anything. Yeah, I always like to meet up at like a neutral location or a location where I have the upper hand. Just as a girl, I think that's a good idea. If especially if you're meeting somebody for the first time. Like, I like to go to this restaurant. You know, the Fat Rabbit? I love that place.

Meliza Manalo 49:05

I know.

Mia Russell 49:08

But I feel comfortable there because they know who I am. And they know, you know, if something were wrong, I feel like I could go to them and be like, hey, I need help. It's not like Applebee's or something where you know, you'd kind of be stuck there. Or you wouldn't have a way out. You wouldn't have help. So, I always pick a location that I feel more comfortable at. It's just one of those things where they have to get used to it just because, you know, it's so much more dangerous to date as a woman.

Meliza Manalo 49:46

Mm hmm. Yeah, I totally understand that. Like, I wouldn't want to go to some secluded place no matter like how romantic it is, you know, definitely somewhere where there's other people around.

Mia Russell 49:57

Yeah. If you want to try out a new place, we could do that down the line once I know you're not a crazy person and you're not going to kidnap me.

Meliza Manalo 50:05

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and let your friends know.

Mia Russell 50:09

Yeah. And I usually tell one to two friends plus my mom or my dad and my brother, because they always want to know where I am. And you know, if I go missing, that's where they start looking.

Meliza Manalo 50:25

Yeah, exactly. Because, yeah, if I don't hear from you for like, a week, it's like, kay Mia. Where are you? Where's your body? Like, are you alive?

Mia Russell 50:36

Yeah, exactly. And other dates, could be just like, another kind of neutral location for a picnic, or going out in nature somewhere that I know my way around. The area we live in has a lot of nice nature areas and parks that I personally know my way around and could get in and out of without a problem.

Meliza Manalo 51:02

You keep pepper spray with you?

Mia Russell 51:05

I used to and then I think it exploded in my car, so no, but pepper spray is always a great idea. Especially if you're going into a park or like a nature area because there are predators out there. Just as a side note, just to be safe. If you do go out there go out with people, you know, go with, you know, pepper spray and a cell phone for sure. And just, you know, pay attention because not only are there human predators out there, there's mountain lions, rattlesnakes, all sorts of stuff.

Meliza Manalo 51:42

Yeah, exactly. Not to like, scare everyone about going outside.

Mia Russell 51:49

Yeah, sorry, fellow introverts. It's dangerous! Um, I have never had any problems. But yeah, just know where you're just know where you're going and know your way out too. If you feel uncomfortable, you don't really owe them anything at that point. You don't owe them an explanation if you feel if they have made you feel uncomfortable. And that's another thing as a people pleaser, I, you know, I'm like, Oh, I don't want to hurt their feelings. But you know, they've hurt yours. So, you got to get out of there. And if it's not a good situation, you got to really take yourself first. I don't know if that's necessarily an introverted thing.

Meliza Manalo 52:37

I think that's just the overall thing. Just take care of yourself. And like really, yeah...

Mia Russell 52:42

but I think introverts will want to think about that a little bit more, before they go on a date, because they might be anxious, like I am. really helps to know where you're going. And what's there already and what you know, even what the menu is.

Meliza Manalo 52:59

Yeah, no, I definitely understand that. Because like, even though I didn't get anxious as one of my types, like from the quiz, I definitely feel like I do resonate with being anxious. And I feel like if I was to go on a, on a date with someone, like, I definitely would want to prepare and know exactly where the restaurant is, know, the restaurant, like if you've never been there before, but you're like meeting like halfway or something. I would, I would probably, like, go to the restaurant, like a day before or something just to familiarize myself with the place and like, yeah, like you said, prepare.

Mia Russell 53:34

That's not a bad idea.

Meliza Manalo 53:36

Yeah, because I've done that before, where if I'm like, especially when I have a new job or something, I'll go there first. I'll drive there. So, I know the route and I know the place and all that. So, I'm prepared. And same with the whole, you know, knowing the menu. That one's a big one, because like, I feel I don't know about you like how you were doing your dates. But I always feel like really self-conscious, like if I'm taking forever to look at a menu or like...

Mia Russell 54:03

Mm hmmm, yeah, and that's where the self-awareness of being an introvert comes in again, is that, you know, you don't want to seem like you're being weird.

Meliza Manalo 54:15

You're taking too long. Like, there's too much silence

Mia Russell 54:17

You don't want to come off weird. I also, when I get anxious, I get a little bit nauseous.

Meliza Manalo 54:26

Me too.

Mia Russell 54:27

I don't really want to eat that much on a first date. So, I want to make sure that they have stuff that I could eat and not feel sick afterwards.

Meliza Manalo 54:35

Mm hmm. Yeah, because like, if I'm eating with a coworker or boss, or like one of those, I feel like it's really similar if I was to go on date, but like, I only get food That's not messy. Like sometimes I'll just get fries because fries are just super easy. Or like I wouldn't. Yeah, I wouldn't get like a smothered wet burrito or something like that. Like I would, you know what I mean?

Mia Russell 54:58

Maybe something that you can eat with a fork and use like one to two napkins.

Meliza Manalo 55:05

Yeah, nothing smothered nothing with too much sauce.

Mia Russell 55:10


Meliza Manalo 55:11

That's funny. Because I've never liked to talk to someone about that before. I'm glad you're the same way.

Mia Russell 55:19

No, I'm pretty sure a lot of people do that.

Meliza Manalo 55:22

Oh yeah, I'm sure I'm sure there's like dating foods like do or don't order these dating foods or whatever. You know what I mean.

Mia Russell 55:32

Yeah, dating tips, do’s, and don'ts.

Meliza Manalo 55:34

Yeah. Don't get a sloppy joe. Don't order a Chipotle burrito. Oh, my goodness.

Mia Russell 55:44

Oh, gosh.

Meliza Manalo 55:47

Unless the person like you're dating is super into that.

Mia Russell 55:51

I mean, there are people out there that's, you know, there's no short supply of weird fetishes out there.

Meliza Manalo 55:59

There's a fetish for anything. literally anything. Anything. literally anything. There's someone out there for you. If you have a weird fetish. There's someone out there for you. I promise. I'm pretty sure you're not alone. Oh, man. So um, are you still using apps? Like, are you still looking for people?

Mia Russell 56:22

Yeah, I go on these apps daily. They send me push notifications all the time. They're like, Oh, somebody liked you. But you can't see it. Because you didn't pay for it. But you know, you just go on there. Sometimes you get a message. Sometimes you get nothing. And it's just a crapshoot. You just got to go out there and do it. And, you know, hope that you find someone you like, and that it works out.

Meliza Manalo 56:54

Alright. So, what's your plan so far? Have you gotten a hit yet? Or no? A hit... What would that be called like a match? I guess.

Mia Russell 57:04

According to OkCupid And Bumble I have plenty of matches that just that I haven't, you know, matched with them. A quote unquote, likes, there's over 100 people who have liked me on OkCupid. There's over 20 people who have messaged me, but I can't see their message until I like them.

Meliza Manalo 57:26

Okay. So, is this like, do you have a radius? Set? like is this within?

Meliza Manalo 57:33

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think it's within 50 miles. Um, which is honestly, you know, that's pretty cool. Pretty big radius.

Meliza Manalo 57:45

Cuz San Francisco's, like, 70 miles?

Mia Russell 57:52

I don't know. I definitely get People from the Bay Area in there. And, you know, sometimes the first thing they say when we match is Oh, you're too far away. Like, okay,

Meliza Manalo 58:03

Bye! sorry.

Mia Russell 58:05

Yeah, it's not gonna work for you right away, and then it's definitely not gonna work down the road. So, I just kind of let them go. well, you definitely have to take the good with the bad. And there's a lot of bad out there. So, I would say don't spend too much time on there, but still put in a concerted effort to find somebody if that's what you're looking for.

Meliza Manalo 58:29

That has been really interesting. Like, I still, I don't know, like, I get so excited when you go on a date to be honest.

Mia Russell 58:38

You like live vicariously through me?

Meliza Manalo 58:41

Yeah, not that I'm... obviously I'm not looking for anyone. But I'm just curious. Like, I've never done the whole adult dating thing. So, it's interesting. And I, it's evolved so much in these like, past few years, just from when we graduated high school to now like I feel like it's just been crazy. Like all these... Like you said, like the star of Tinder and how it like, you know, branch out to all these different apps and like, people aren't really meeting each other. And like, like my cousin, she's single. And I don't know, like when she meets a guy, like most of the time, like if you meet like person in person, they're just kind of there for the hookup, you know, like, there's no one really serious about it.

Mia Russell 59:27

Like when you're at party or something?

Meliza Manalo 59:29

Yeah. And then like I was talking to, who was it? Oh my, my former boss. He was. his daughter's the same age as me. And she hasn't found anyone like hasn't settled down. She really wants to start a family and like have a baby and everything. But I guess the problem is like this whole, like they're calling it like a hookup culture where like everyone just wants to hook up and no one really wants to settle down.

Mia Russell 59:57

Yeah, I've found a lot of that.

Meliza Manalo 59:59

Mm hmm. I feel like that's kind of where we are because like, even like our generation, apparently, I don't have the statistics or anything like that, the sources, but apparently, like our people our age aren't really taking like marriage seriously, like they don't really... like if it happens, it happens, but like no one's opposed to not being married ever again or ever. And like a lot of people our generation also don't want kids too. So, like, dating is definitely more casual. Like, I guess no one's looking for a whole lot of serious relationships. So yeah. So, for you like Do you want Are you looking for a serious relationship? Are you looking just casual? Or, you know, like, obviously, you said, you know, you're not really into the hookup thing. But

Mia Russell 1:00:48

no, because I, I get attached to people, I want to know who they are beforehand. And hookup culture is just kind of like, Hey, you want to hook up? Yeah, let's look up. Okay, then that's it. It's not really like, let's go on a date first or something like that. And as a very anxious person, I have to know who they are first. And, you know, if I'm gonna be with someone, I want to know what their values are. I know, it seems like that shouldn't really matter if you're just hooking up with someone. But to me, it does. So, I guess hookup culture is kind of not an option. So definitely looking for more serious relationships, or at least a relationship in the beginning.

Meliza Manalo 1:01:39

Well, I hope you find someone out there. Hopefully, these apps work maybe this Anomo would work. You don't... you never know.

Mia Russell 1:01:49

Who knows?

Meliza Manalo 1:01:50

I would be surprised but I'd be like, I don't know. Because it all started from this podcast. Like, oh my friend, Meliza, wanted to do this podcast and now I have this app, and now I'm married and happily like, you know, in this long-term relationship. Now. I'm like, engaged. So that would be really cool. Like, you can tell. I don't know if you're gonna have kids, or like, tell your nieces and nephews or something. Or just like random kids down the street. Yes, I met my husband. I don't know why I gave you a southern accent but...

Mia Russell 1:02:21

Because when you hit a certain age, you just turn Southern?

Meliza Manalo 1:02:24

Because like old people have. No offence, I don't. I don't have any old listeners I already know. But old people have like a different way of talking. like it. I think every generation has a different accent.

Mia Russell 1:02:36

Yeah, like my grandpa says warsh instead of wash.

Meliza Manalo 1:02:40

Oh yea, Brandon's dad says that says it like that, too. But they're from Kentucky. So, I think that's why. But like, you know, people from California like movies when you watch movies, you know, those people are from California. Like some of them. And they have definitely had an accent. So that's why like old people. I feel like they all have an accent. Like, a bit of a southern accent.

Mia Russell 1:03:02

Yeah. could just be the dentures. You never know.

Meliza Manalo 1:03:06

But yeah, so Mia's single if you guys know anyone have any friends. She's straight. So, men only please. I found out though all my listeners or not all of them. Like, I think all of them except for maybe like two, they're all women. And they're all like ranging from the age of like 18 to 30 or something like that. I forgot the age ranges. So, all the women out there if you have any guy friends, Mia's awesome, I'll link her Instagram profile.

Mia Russell 1:03:38

Yeah, slide into my DMs.

Meliza Manalo 1:03:40

Yeah. And she's got some selfies on there. So, you can see what she looks like. The pictures don't do her justice. So, don't judge her off. You know, just social media.

Mia Russell 1:03:52


Meliza Manalo 1:03:53

I'm just saying. I'm trying to, you know, trying to plug you right now.

Mia Russell 1:04:02

I know. I know. You really want to be the flower girl at my wedding, Don't you?

Meliza Manalo 1:04:09

I better be more than the flower girl, Mia!

Mia Russell 1:04:13

Alright, all right, maid of honor. If this Anomo thing works out.

Meliza Manalo 1:04:18

Oh, man, that would be so funny. I would... if that happens and you guys get married. I would totally bring that up at your rehearsal dinner or whatever. Yeah, it was all me. I told her that download the app during our podcast episode. No big deal.

Mia Russell 1:04:35

Yup, it's all because of you. You make everything possible.

Meliza Manalo 1:04:39

Mm hmm. Yup. Exactly. All right, any advice you want to give people I feel like you've given a lot like...

Mia Russell 1:04:51

just don't give up. It's really rough at the beginning. But once you find your... Oh man, what do you call it?

Meliza Manalo 1:05:02

Your lobster?

Mia Russell 1:05:06

Sure. Once you find your lobster it'll all be worth it.

Mia Russell 1:05:12

Right? Aren't lobster the ones that are like, mates forever?

Mia Russell 1:05:15

Mates for life. Yeah. Don't see that movie, by the way. If you like dogs.

Meliza Manalo 1:05:20

Wait, what movie?

Mia Russell 1:05:22

The lobster.

Meliza Manalo 1:05:24

That's a movie?

Mia Russell 1:05:25

Yeah. should look it up.

Meliza Manalo 1:05:26


Mia Russell 1:05:27

Don't watch it, though.

Meliza Manalo 1:05:28

If I... okay. Good to know. Oh, my Goodness, Mia. Thanks for coming on to my podcast. and Telling me about the lobster movie.

Mia Russell 1:05:44

Yeah. Thanks for having me. I appreciate the opportunity to talk about anything really.

Meliza Manalo 1:05:49

Yeah, I am excited to see if this Anomo thing goes. And we can do another podcast. And obviously we can do we don't have to just do a podcast about Anomo, but like other stuff, too, because Mia, just like me, is an introvert. And you fit perfectly in this podcast because of that.

Mia Russell 1:06:11

Aww, thank you.

Meliza Manalo 1:06:12

Plus, you're my friend. So, I like you enough to talk to you for a good hour. Wait, how long has it been? This? Zoom? Does it tell you?

Mia Russell 1:06:20

An hour and a half.

Meliza Manalo 1:06:21

Has it been? Oh, no. Has it?

Mia Russell 1:06:24

Oh no, an hour an hour.

Meliza Manalo 1:06:25

Okay. I was like, holy crap. That's a lot to listen to because this doesn't even include my intro and My outro.

Mia Russell 1:06:34

You can edit stuff out.

Meliza Manalo 1:06:36

All right. Well, thank you. Thank you for joining my podcast. I hope you liked doing this episode. so, we could do more episodes. And it's been really fun. Thanks for telling me about your dating life and these ridiculous apps.

Mia Russell 1:06:52

Thanks for having me.

Meliza Manalo 1:06:55

All right. Okay, so that was the end. How did you feel? How do you feel? Has it been an hour? Really? There's no timestamp. It doesn't tell you any... Stupid zoom.

Mia Russell 1:07:09

Yeah, well, it's seven. It's almost 730. So

Meliza Manalo 1:07:12

Dang. come on Zoom get with it. Or maybe it's me. It's probably me.

Mia Russell 1:07:20

Let's be honest.

Meliza Manalo 1:07:22

You know what would be crazy? if I wasn't recording that entire time.

Mia Russell 1:07:26

Oh, my gosh, I would cry.

Meliza Manalo 1:07:29

Yeah, but don't worry. I'm recording. I just double checked. I was like, Okay, yeah. Okay.

Meliza Manalo 1:07:37

All right, you guys. I hope you enjoyed that episode. I hope you enjoyed that conversation I had with my friend Mia. And I'm sure I'll have her on here again. I really enjoyed having that conversation and ended up being super long. But anyways, if you like what you hear, please follow me on Instagram, Facebook, I have my YouTube channel, I'll upload the episodes there. And go check out my website. I have my blogs up. I have a few up now. And if you are an aspiring podcaster or if you want to get your hands into podcasting, just like me, I highly suggest you get hosted on to Buzzsprout is what I'm using now. And I love their website. I love how easy it was and they have a lot of great resources and good tips and tricks on how to get your podcast up and running. And for any listener that uses my link to sign up for Buzzsprout you get a $20 amazon gift card when you sign up for a paid plan, so please support the show and even start your own show. If you decide to start a podcast, please follow me, and let me know like I'd love to hear your guys’ content. Alright guys, thanks and I will talk to you again in the next episode.

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