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S2E9 - INTJ Stats w/ Leah Guillama (Part 1)

Episode Description:

Leah and I scour the internet for interesting INTJ statistics. We picked our favorites from the list to share in this episode. If you want to check out the ones we didn’t include in the show, here’s the link to the website:


Some parts of the transcript may be edited for better readability, but the content remains the same. Mostly removed duplicate words, vocal filler words, and added/removed some words for clarification.


Hey, everyone, this is Meliza and I'm the talkative introvert.

I never know how to start an episode. (Laughter)

Leah 0:15

I was just thinking how do you want to start this?

Meliza Manalo 0:18

Okay, well, I guess that's our start then. (Laughter)

Leah 0:24

Sure thing. Are you already recording?

Meliza Manalo 0:26

Yeah, I've been recording. I kind of just do that. Because sometimes the pre conversation is interesting enough to play in the podcast.

Leah 0:38

That's smart. I like that.

Meliza Manalo 0:40

Yeah, except I didn't get you talking about your hermit crab story. That's a good one.

Leah 0:47

Damn it.

Meliza Manalo 0:48

Next time.

Leah 0:51

I'm sure it'll come up again. I love my hermit crabs. I talk about them way too much.

Meliza Manalo 0:56

Literally every time we've talked probably.

Leah 1:00

I know I annoy people about my hermit crabs, but I don't care because I just love them.

Meliza Manalo 1:05

It's like your story now. What is it? Alfonso and...

Leah 1:11


Meliza Manalo 1:12


Leah 1:13

Yes. Alfonso and Esteban.

Meliza Manalo 1:15

You gotta name the third one Sebastian.

Leah 1:18

I should. If I do get a third one, I think his name will be Sebastian. I still need to figure out if Esteban is a boy or a girl. Alfonso is definitely a boy.

Meliza Manalo 1:28

How do you know?

Leah 1:30

So they have these things are called Gonopores, I think, if I'm remembering correctly. They're basically these two little itty-bitty dots. They look like little pinpricks or like a snake bite on their stomachs. Like really low on their stomach. So, they have to be kind of pretty far out of their shell for you to be able to see them. But if they are male, then they won't have Gonopores. But if they're female, then they will have it.

Meliza Manalo 1:58

There's just like two dots? That's like...

Leah 2:02

Like vagina, I think. Kinda.

Meliza Manalo 2:05

That's so hard cuz they're tiny.

Leah 2:08

They're very small. Yeah, they're super small. Like literally, it looks like when you put a safety pin into the wall, but even smaller. But not safety pin, what do they call?

Meliza Manalo 2:19

A thumbtack?

Leah 2:20

A thumbtack. Yeah.

Meliza Manalo 2:21

You should put a camera. A camera feed.

Leah 2:24

I know. I really want to. I need to find a camera that will be able to record at night.

Meliza Manalo 2:30

Yeah. Anyway, so that's not what today's episode is about. Okay, so today's episode is about INTJ statistics. And we just looked up statistics... It's so hard for me to say that word... Statistics online. And we picked out our favorites and we're going to share it and that's our episode. I don't like the word statistics because I don't like S's and T's.

Leah 3:01

Yeah. That's a really difficult word for you then.

Meliza Manalo 3:05

Yeah. And I don't like the sound... Do you ever talk to people and when they pronounce their S's, it's like this high pitched whistle?

Leah 3:17


Meliza Manalo 3:17

Like whenever they do.

Leah 3:20

Rare that I hear it.

Meliza Manalo 3:21

Oh my God, I hate that. What?

Leah 3:24


Meliza Manalo 3:28

You... what am I trying to say? I didn't hear that last part that you said.

Leah 3:34

Oh, did we cut out or something?

Meliza Manalo 3:37

Yeah, cut out. Oh my god. That's all I was trying to say.

Leah 3:39

(Laughter) Your brain really isn't working today.

Meliza Manalo 3:43

It's not. I don't think I had enough sleep.

Leah 3:47

It's okay, I didn't either. I don't even remember what I said though. So...

Meliza Manalo 3:51

Okay. (Laughter) Because we did laundry a week ago. And there's just like a giant pile of clothes on our bed and I haven't put it away or anything. And instead of putting it back in the laundry basket, because we have the clean laundry basket and the dirty laundry basket. So putting it back, it's just this giant pile on our bed. So I have to maneuver around it to sleep.

Leah 4:18

I do that all the time.

Meliza Manalo 4:21

And I know that I will have a better sleep if I just put it back in the clean laundry basket or fold and put it away. But usually... Hmm?

Leah 4:32

You don't want to put it back in the laundry basket because then it'll sit in the laundry basket forever?

Meliza Manalo 4:38

Exactly. That's my thought process. Like okay, if I put it on the bed, it'll bother me enough and I will put it away. But usually when we need to change clothes, we just go through that pile until it's small enough. And then I'm like, oh, this is doable. And then I'll put more. (Laughter) Right now it's a little too big.

Leah 5:04

And I know it's so satisfying once you put it away. But I just cannot get myself to spend the time to do such a menial task.

Meliza Manalo 5:13

But I love. Like it takes me a while to get there but once I get there, I love when it turns from a pile to these neatly folded stacks and stuff. God. Is that an INTJ thing?

Leah 5:29

I don't know. I hear that a lot from a lot of people though. So, maybe not.

Meliza Manalo 5:35

Yeah. Cuz laundry is like the worst. I don't know anyone that likes doing laundry.

Leah 5:40

I don't know. Someone told me that they loved folding laundry. I was like, what? But they hated washing it. I was like...?

Meliza Manalo 5:53

Or like hand washing all their clothes?

Leah 5:56

No, they just don't like putting it into the washing machine and starting the washer. But they don't mind folding it. I'm like, what?

Meliza Manalo 6:05

That's the complete opposite.

Leah 6:07

I can't remember who told me that. I was just so confused.

Meliza Manalo 6:10

Just blown away.

Leah 6:12

Yeah. I was like, Man, I wish I had that problem.

Meliza Manalo 6:15

Me too. Oh, my God. It's the easiest part because you just leave it.

Leah 6:22

I know. And it's so fast.

Meliza Manalo 6:24

Yeah. I have a timer. I have a washer timer and dryer timer. So I forget.

Leah 6:31

I forget too and it sits for a while.

Meliza Manalo 6:35


Leah 6:36

And then I have to rewash my clothes sometimes, because it stinks.

Meliza Manalo 6:40

Yeah, that stinks.

Leah 6:41

I know. It sucks. Why were we talking about laundry?

Meliza Manalo 6:45

Oh. Cuz I didn't have enough sleep and a pile of laundry on my bed. (Laughter)

Leah 6:52

That's a good topic.

Meliza Manalo 6:54

So we're gonna share our top favorite. I got mine from And I liked this site because it came with sources. So you could click on the source. But we're sticking to statistics, right? So not just like characteristics of an INTJ. Because I feel like we kind of already touched on that in our previous INTJ episodes.

Leah 7:22

Yeah, we definitely did.

Meliza Manalo 7:23

So do you want to go first or you want me to go first?

Leah 7:26

Sure. I guess I'll go first.

Meliza Manalo 7:29


Leah 7:31

How many points do you have? I think I have like 14 out of the 25 that I actually liked the most.

Meliza Manalo 7:39

I have 11.

Leah 7:42

Oh, nice. Okay. So, my first one is actually the first one on this website. I thought it was pretty interesting. A survey of type and American political party affiliation found that among the INTJ sampled, 19% were Democrat, 40% Republican and 41% Independent.

Meliza Manalo 8:06

That's my first one, too.

Leah 8:08

I thought it was aligned on our political views. And I hate to talk about politics and stuff. But we're both more towards Independent than Democratic or Republican, I think. Right?

Meliza Manalo 8:29

Yeah. We're both like that. Because we took that quiz. I forgot.

Leah 8:35

I forgot it, too. but we're like very centrist is what they call it.

Meliza Manalo 8:42

Yeah. I think ours is pretty much the same because we were both in the center. But I think you were more democrat leaning and I was more republican leaning. Basically, in the middle.

Leah 8:58

I would always say that I was a Democrat, even though I didn't 100% believe it. But I didn't know a whole lot about politics. And I was just like, oh, you had to be one or the other. So I always leaned towards Democrat. But as I've gotten older, I feel like I'm more in the middle.

Meliza Manalo 9:19

Yeah. I mean, I mentioned in a previous episode that I'm a libertarian. And that's pretty much like in the middle, because it's like, you don't care what people do as long as they're being nice and polite to each other and respect each other. That's like the whole thing. I think for Democrats, I believe in the humanities portion of it. Like gay marriage. Like I honestly don't care who you marry. You can marry your frickin truck or something. It doesn't matter. Like marriage is such a weird concept to begin with. Like, it's a weird concept for it to be legally binding if that makes sense. Because marriage is a personal choice. It's more emotional than it has legality part.

Leah 10:21

Yeah, this is really weird that it's so connected with the government.

Meliza Manalo 10:26

Yeah. Like, I don't think marriage should be connected to the government at all. It should be completely separate, because it's a personal, emotional choice.

Leah 10:35

And a lot of times it's a religious thing.

Meliza Manalo 10:37

Yeah, exactly.

Leah 10:39

Which is supposed to be a separation. Between religion and government.

Meliza Manalo 10:47

So it's so weird because I get parts of it. Like if you die, then it goes to your spouse. But at the same time, why can't you just pick who your stuff goes to? I mean, that's the whole point of a living trust and the will. Like my mom has a living trust. My parents decided just to give it to me and my brother, if they die instead of going straight to my dad. Because my dad's like, "I'm older. What do I need it for?" But in order for that to happen, for it to not go to my dad, and just to me and my brother, my dad had to sign it to say that it's okay. Like the husband is okay, that it's not going to him. And it's going to his kids instead.

Leah 11:31

That's so weird.

Meliza Manalo 11:33

Right? It's so weird. Like, the whole concept of marriage in government is weird.

Leah 11:39

Like being a military spouse, you're not your own. Like the spouse is not really their own person.

Meliza Manalo 11:49


Leah 11:50

Or in terms of our insurance. I can't do anything with the insurance. Like if I want to change my insurance, I can't do anything. Fabian has to do it for me.

Meliza Manalo 11:59

Oh, oh, yeah. I guess that makes sense.

Leah 12:02

And just stuff like that. Like, I'm more considered as dependent than I am like a spouse.

Meliza Manalo 12:04

Oh, how weird.

Leah 12:13

It's very weird. Like they do not...

Meliza Manalo 12:15

I don't like that.

Leah 12:17

Yeah, I hate it. It's so annoying. Because I can't just do things myself. I have to have Fabian help me or do it for me. Like, it's dumb.

Meliza Manalo 12:31

Yeah, that's weird. I mean, that's only one aspect of politics that's weird. But yeah, I thought this was interesting, too. 41% independence, so the majority of us are independent, or third party, as people like to call. Even though there's literally so many other parties. But whatever, that's politics. We won't get into that. (Laughter) Okay, so the second one. It's funny, because the two main things you'll talk about is politics and religion. But I like the second statistic, which I think it's the second one I can't remember. on the website. But it's the 64.4% of INTJs in a 3,036-person study indicate that they did in fact, believe in a higher spiritual power. Only 23.1% are atheist and 12.5% are agnostic.

Leah 13:25

I chose that one too. That's actually number four. But I did choose that one too, because I actually found that very surprising.

Meliza Manalo 13:34

That 64%? Or what part of...

Leah 13:37

Yeah. That 64% of INTJ do believe in a higher power.

Meliza Manalo 13:43

I mean, I get it. I have to kind of think about this because I never really looked into what the differences of an atheist and agnostic is. I know an atheist doesn't believe in any higher power all whatsoever. Right? Yeah. And then agnostic is like... Do you know what agnostic is? I kind of forgot already.

Leah 14:04

I haven't actually, like looked it up, but from what I've been told, agnostic is like, you don't necessarily believe in a God, but you also won't rule it out. Because there's just no evidence either way. That's what I've heard.

Meliza Manalo 14:24

Yeah, person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Leah 14:30

Oh, is that really what it was?

Meliza Manalo 14:31

Mm hmm.

Leah 14:32

Oh. So that was right.

Meliza Manalo 14:34

Okay. That makes sense. So, like for me, I do believe I am part of the 64% that believe in a higher spiritual power. But I don't necessarily know what's like the 'God', or just like 'A god'. I just know. I just feel like something had to have created the first atom. You know? Like atheism is kind of hard for me. Because it's really just like just that a big bang, and then we're just all created just like that. Or I don't know, I feel like there's got to be something out there. There's like a higher power. Something that created just the first thing...

Leah 14:34


Meliza Manalo 14:40

... that evolved to all of this.

Leah 15:23

I agree. Actually, I'm also part of that 64.4%. I just thought it was weird, because you know, people say that INTJs are like, they're very logical. They're all about reasoning. So you just assume, like someone who's not an INTJ would probably assume that they're atheist or agnostic. Because that's...

Meliza Manalo 15:45

I think that's why. Because we're so logical that, there's got to be something that created some... you know. There has to be an ultimate creator. Instead of it just came out of nowhere.

Leah 15:57

Yeah, it's so funny, because I was thinking about this the other day, too on my drive from school. I was just contemplating higher spiritual powers and stuff. But for me, I believe in like... I don't know if I've mentioned this before, I feel like I have on the podcast. But I believe there could be something but it's more like... for me, it's hard to believe that it was just one thing like a God. I think of it as like the universe, like when I pray or whatever, I'm praying to the universe. Like if I want something good to happen, I'm like, oh, please let this happen. Blah, blah. But not that I really like pray.

Meliza Manalo 16:42

Yeah. I know what you mean.

Leah 16:44

Yeah, I'm trying to relate it to something that makes sense. But yeah, I feel like there's something out there, but not necessarily God.

Meliza Manalo 16:56

I know. My mom asked me... Oh, God. So… (Laughter) I grew up in a very religious household. All my family members are either Catholic, or this other Christian Church that we're in. I actually want to do an episode on Purity Culture, and Christianity and growing up in a really strict Christian household. So, stay tuned for that. I don't know if I would. I don't know. I might do it. It just depends. Because I don't want people like my family get at me. But whatever. I'm already talking about it now. (Laughter) So my mom asked me, "What is your religion?" Because we were talking about religion. Because my aunt's Jehovah, and then my uncle... They are two Churches. So their kids, because their parents are of two different Churches, the kids just decide that they're not going to do Church at all. Because they don't want to pick one between the other. And so she asked me, "How about you? Like, what do you do?" Because I left our Church when I was 18.

Leah 18:00

Mm hmm. Damn. It went that long?

Meliza Manalo 18:03

Well, I mean, I lived with my parents. I kind of had to. So, I technically left my mindset in high school. But I 'left' left when I turned 18 and I was an adult and old enough to leave the Church. Yeah. But she asked me like, what's my spirituality? What's my Church? And I didn't want to offend her. But I did tell her, like, I was really honest. And I was like, honestly, I think that every person, if you're gonna believe in God, I don't think it's black and white. Like, you'll go to hell for this. And you go to heaven for this. I think it's everyone has their own individual, spiritual relationship with God. You know, because one of the things in the Bible, if you take the Bible super literally, in our Church, women don't cut their hair, and they were only women's garments, which means skirt, or dress. They don't wear pants. And we don't wear worldly possessions like jewelry, and all this other stuff. And then I said, "You know, someone who cuts their hair is not the same as someone as, say... oh, I don't know. Hitler." I don't think that person is going to go to hell, because they get a tattoo. Like, I got my tattoo, and then my mom found out. And I was like, I don't think God's going to hate me for this. Because again, I'm not like Hitler. So, I didn't kill a bunch of people. So I think someone like me who has pink hair, and a tattoo is not the same as someone who murdered someone. I think my personal relationship with God is like I just make sure I'm a good person and a respectful person and blah, blah, blah. A decent person. Yeah. So that's why I told her. I said, "I don't have a Church, but I believe that everyone has an individual relationship to whoever God may be if it is a God or Gods or he or she or it.

Leah 20:09

Even Gods as in like, Greek gods and stuff. You know they're pretty messed up. But... (Laughter) Good thing. I don't have to be more plausible, though. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 20:23

Oh, definitely. If humans came from that, yeah. That makes sense. (Laughter) But yeah, I thought this was interesting.

Leah 20:35


Meliza Manalo 20:36


Leah 20:38

That's a high percentage. That's more than the half. That's a lot. It was a lot more than I expected.

Meliza Manalo 20:47

Mm hmm. Yeah. I feel like well, in general though, I feel like people as a whole, at least in America, I don't know how it is in other countries. But there are studies showing that less and less people are going to Church and that are believing like, you know, the St. James Bible, or whatever.

Leah 21:05

Yeah. I've seen that too.

Meliza Manalo 21:10

So I feel like people are just in general, just not going to Church, or not. Or at least questioning it.

Leah 21:17


Meliza Manalo 21:18

All right. What's your next one?

Leah 21:20

Okay, next one. So this one was actually number two. I thought it was kind of funny. But 'In a study rating argumentativeness in the types, INTJs were the second most argumentative after ENTJs.' (Laughter) I didn't realize this until recently. But I can agree with that. I feel like I do argue. If I'm comfortable with someone, I will argue with them.

Meliza Manalo 21:55


Leah 21:56

Like if I feel like I'm right, I'm right. (Laughter) I've talked about this too before. And, like characteristics thing.

Meliza Manalo 22:07

Yeah. I wanted to see what you would say about that.

Leah 22:15

I feel like we're both like that, because I think you get pretty argumentative.

Meliza Manalo 22:20

Yeah, I'm trying not to. I'm trying so hard. Especially with Brandon, because you guys have such terrible memory. And he'll fight me on something. And I'm just like, "No, believe me. That is not what happened."

Leah 22:47

That’s what me and Fabian say. But I swear I remembered it correctly.

Meliza Manalo 22:52

But it's so sweet when I can prove it. (Laughter)

Leah 22:58

It is nice when you can prove something.

Meliza Manalo 23:03

Yeah, I'm trying really hard not to be that person. Because I know people find it annoying. And then you're the know-it-all. Arrogant know-it-all.

Leah 23:17

It's annoying, but I've noticed that in myself a lot. And I'm like, man. I can be mean sometimes.

Meliza Manalo 23:25

Because I hate when people tell me I'm wrong when I'm not wrong. Like if I know 100% that I am right, I'll fight. (Laughter) If I'm unsure, then sure. Whatever. I won't continue the conversation. But if I know, then I know. Trust me that I know. (Laughter) Let me go search a peer review journal for you. Like, I know.

Leah 23:57

Yeah, but that's how I get there. Like I'm too lazy to look all this up until I've been arguing forever. I'm like, okay fine. Like, I'm gonna prove myself.

Meliza Manalo 24:08

Me too. I'm pretty lazy. That's why I try not to get into fights anyways.

Leah 24:12


Meliza Manalo 24:14

Especially if I know your type. Like some people in my family, even if they're wrong, they don't want to... Cuz if I know you're like that, then I won't bother.

Leah 24:29

Even when you have evidence and whatnot. They're still like, "No."

Meliza Manalo 24:33

Yeah. Cuz they just have to be right. When I read that though, I was laughing. I was like oh, yeah.

Leah 24:43

There were a few things. I read them, I just started dying laughing. I was like, dang. Eye-opener.

Meliza Manalo 24:49

It really is. They're just... I don't know. Like sometimes when I read about INTJs I'm just like, do I don't want to be one? (Laughter)

Leah 25:01

I'm like, man, these people sound annoying.... Then I'm like yeah, and I relate to this so hard. But then I read other things. And it makes me happy to be an INTJ. And it is one of like, apparently, according to this other article I read, I think INTJs are a very coveted personality.

Meliza Manalo 25:27

Is it?

Leah 25:28

Just because we're viewed as like, just masterminds? I don't 100% believe that, but just because generally speaking, INTJs are intelligent and creative and all this and that. But when you dive deeper into it, I don't know, it's not. There are a lot of people that I feel like are way more intelligent and way more creative than I am and aren't INTJs, though.

Meliza Manalo 25:59

Yeah. But it.... sounds so arrogant. But it does suck to be smart. (Laughter)

Leah 26:12

It's actually kind of a downfall to be smart. Like intelligent people always suffer the most mentally because they're smart. Because they know how things work.

Meliza Manalo 26:24

Yeah, like anyone who says they want to be an INTJ, I'm sorry, but you're gonna end up in therapy. Let me just tell you that. And you're just gonna always be in your head.

Leah 26:36

Yeah. I think we're gonna come across one that's in here about that.

Meliza Manalo 26:41

Yeah. let's get into this. It's a good segue. So I know there's the one that I have. So 'The INTJs were the type second most likely to seek professional help, as a way to cope with problems, and the least likely to use TV', which is weird. 'They are also the third least likely type to get angry and show it. And ranked third lowest for relying upon religious beliefs.'

Leah 27:07

Yep. Yeah, that's what I was talking about.

Meliza Manalo 27:12

That's weird that we're the least likely to use TV. But ummm... you know it. Like if we got rid of our TV now, it wouldn't be like the end of the world for me.

Leah 27:27

Yeah. That's like, because I was thinking about that one, too. And I was like, well, I do watch a lot of TV. But when it comes to like, how it says, ways to cope with problems, I definitely use it as a way to cope with problems. I don't use it as an escape like some people do. Like I watch a lot of TV, but I also don't really care for it as much anymore. Like, I've noticed that when Fabian's home, the TV is always on. Always on. And sometimes it annoys me. I've never told him this. But sometimes it really annoys me when we come home, or if I come home and the TV's on. Like it'll bother me sometimes. Or we wake up or something. And the first thing he'll do is turn on the TV. I'm like...

Meliza Manalo 28:23

Oh my God.

Leah 28:24

... "Why do we need the TV on?" And I realized when he's gone, my TV never gets turned on. Like the only time I watch TV is right before bed or something. Like that's it. Even if I'm home all day long, I will not turn on the TV. I'll listen to music or something. But I'm always like doing something. There's another one. I can't remember which one it is. We'll probably come across it. But there's another one in here that says something like the way we spend the leisure time or whatever is that... Like, we're more likely to get on the computer or play video games to relax.

Meliza Manalo 29:02

Yeah. Something interactive with your mind.

Leah 29:06

Yeah. Like I need to be like doing something. Like even when I watch TV, I have to be doing something. I have to either be eating dinner. Or sometimes I'll do my embroidery while I'm watching TV. I feel like I can't just sit there and watch TV.

Meliza Manalo 29:26

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. When I came across that because like you said, I don't use it to cope. It's kind of just there. And like yesterday, I was working on some shirts that I was making. And I did have my tablet on. I was watching Will & Grace. But it was just on because I like the noise.

Leah 29:47

Noise. Yeah.

Meliza Manalo 29:48

Yeah. And I don't know. It's just like people talking. And when I'm working, sometimes I'll have the tablet on. But I have it on just to keep me awake. But if I'm already fully awake and had a good night's sleep, the whole house is silent. It's like completely silent until Brandon comes in. Because when Brandon comes in the house, he opens the door. Because Brandon, I don't think he understands his strength. Everything he does is very beastly. I've told him that too. I was like, "Can you calm down with the way you move?" Because he always hit me or hurt me accidentally because he doesn't understand his own strength. But he'll come into the door. And it's like super loud, the way he opens the door. And then he'll carry his tools in. And just like, all this clanking and the tools clinking together and metal. And then he'll like come into the room. He's like, what are you doing? I'm clearly working. It's not five yet. And then he's like, "How come nothing's on?" (Laughter) He'll ask me like, why am I not listening to music or like a podcast or something? And he's like, "It's so quiet in here." And then he'll start talking.

Leah 31:18

Oh, my God. That sounds like me. I actually am like that too. (Laughter) Fabian gets so annoyed because like... I don't know, I feel like Brandon might do this. But I ask a lot of questions. Like, simple questions. Fabian hates it. Like, it'll be something like, I'll be like, "Oh, why is this light on?" And he'll be like, "I don't know, because I went into that room?" Or something like that or little things like that. They pop in my head and I just asked them.

Meliza Manalo 31:52

Another Perry sibling thing. Because that annoys the crap out of me. Cuz Brandon just talks to himself. But he asks questions. So I think he's talking to me, but he's not. He's just talking. (Laughter)

Leah 32:08

I do that. Or a lot of the times I've realized the questions aren't really because I'm directing them towards Fabian or whoever, but it's really me thinking out loud.

Meliza Manalo 32:31

It's convenient to have the answer. But if you don't have that, you'll still find it.

Leah 32:36

Yeah. He'll give me an answer, but I won't pay attention to it. Or I'll forget that he gave me the answer. And then I'll ask the question again. But not because I'm looking for an answer is because I thought I just never got an answer. And it's just popping in my head. And I just... I don't know. I just need to ask it. That's so funny.

Meliza Manalo 32:59

Yeah. Like, we were playing Cyberpunk when it came out. You know, it's a new game. So we're learning the controls and stuff. So, I've kind of learned how to zone Brandon out a little bit. (Laughter)

Leah 33:15

Yeah. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 33:21

He'll ask like, "How do you get into the car? Please drive. How do you get here? How do you do this?" And then I was getting so annoyed, and I was like, just figure it out! I don't know! But I'll start to zone him out. And if he does need the answer, like what you do, he'll like, repeat himself. Or he'll ask me , "Do you have your headphones on?" (Laughter) And then he'll ask the question again.

Leah 33:53

(Laughter) Oh, my God. I do that all the time. And I don't realize I'm doing it. But now that I'm thinking about it, I do it all the time. Cuz I know, especially with the control thing. I don't know I can figure it out within two seconds. But it's like it pops into my head. I'm like, oh, how do I do this? I say it as I'm trying to figure it out.

Meliza Manalo 34:15

It's so funny, because when Brandon does his woodworking, he does it in the garage, right? Our walls are pretty thin. So I could kind of hear him talking. I'm like, who's he talking to? Like I thought maybe he was on the phone. And I went out there and I was like, who are you talking to? Was it a neighbor? And he's like, "No one." (Laughter) He's just talking to himself.

Leah 34:45

Oh my god. That's funny. God, we're too much alike. Sometimes it's scary.

Meliza Manalo 34:50

Yeah, you guys really are. Because I'm like, man, am I dating Leah right now? He says that about me and Mikie sometimes.

Leah 35:03

Oh yeah.

Meliza Manalo 35:04

Pretty similar. Unfortunately. (Laughter) I don't really know what stat were we talking about.

Leah 35:16

It was...

Meliza Manalo 35:17

Oh coping.

Leah 35:19

Yeah, with the TV. Oh, and we're the third least likely to get angry.

Meliza Manalo 35:25

So that one's a hard one because...

Leah 35:27

I think it's more like expressing it.

Meliza Manalo 35:29


Leah 35:31

Cuz I...

Meliza Manalo 35:31

It's like I... (Laughter) I'm kind of always angry.

Leah 35:37

Yeah, me too. There's always some little thing that's pissing me off. Because people don't do things correctly. Especially at work. Oh my god. I'm probably always angry at work. But I hide it really well, because people tell me I'm really nice.

Meliza Manalo 35:56

I'm really glad that people can't read minds.

Leah 36:01

Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah.

Meliza Manalo 36:03

I feel like if someone read my mind while I was angry, they'd probably cry. (Laughter) Like, it'll just be really sad and down about themselves. And hopefully that monster will never come out. (Laughter) Because sometimes I scare myself. Like when I'm talking in my head, and I say something awful about someone, I'm just like oh my god, calm down.

Leah 36:30

Yeah, I'm like that too. I'm like, man, good thing I'm an introvert and I don't say these things out loud.

Meliza Manalo 36:37

Oh, yeah. I don't think anyone would like me.

Leah 36:40

Yeah, no. I don't even like myself. (Laughter) Dang, why are people friends with me?

Meliza Manalo 36:49

I know. Like, in my head I'm just like, huh, you really went there? Did you? (Laughter) Okay, what's your next one?

Leah 37:02

Um, my next one. I picked this one just because I'm taking chemistry right now. But it's number nine. 'In a study of student psychological types versus the level of success in a chemistry class, the average score of the INTJ personality type was 5.1 to 12.6 points higher than every other personality type.' So apparently, INTJs are really good at chemistry. But I don't know I have a weird thing about this.

Meliza Manalo 37:35


Leah 37:36

Because I've taken four chemistry classes. First one was in high school, I don't really count that. I don't even remember what grade I got. And I passed. I think I got a B. But it's just high school. And then my first chemistry class in college, I struggle the hardcore in that class. I think I got a B. But it was a struggle. Like a struggle. (Laughter) I put so much time on that class. But then seven years later, I took the second level of that class. And I got an A. I don't know how I did that. But I was freaking out before I even started it. Because I was like, oh my god, it's been seven years since I took the first level. And now I'm about to take the second level. Like I hate chemistry, it's terrible. But I got an A, and it was in the middle of when COVID first started. So we've spent time in person for half the semester. And then the second half ended up switching online and whatnot. So I was dealing with that too. And then now I'm an OChem. And I'm so annoyed because I have a 79.82% in that class.

Meliza Manalo 38:56

Oh, my God.

Leah 38:58

I know.

Meliza Manalo 38:59

You're so close.

Leah 39:01

I'm so upset. But I don't really know how. I feel like there's still so many other people that are way better at chemistry than me too. So I don't know if how much I believe in this one. But it is a statistics. So yeah, I'm a really bad INTJ in chemistry.

Meliza Manalo 39:22

Did I take chemistry? Oh, I did take chemistry.

Leah 39:26

I was wondering if you had or not.

Meliza Manalo 39:28

I did.

Leah 39:32

In college?

Meliza Manalo 39:31

No. In high school. Cuz in college I didn't have to. I had to take more biology type classes. Which honestly, I like bio immensely more than chemistry.

Leah 39:46

Yeah. It's better than chemistry. I hate chemistry. It's fine.

Meliza Manalo 39:50

Yeah. I think I did well in my chemistry class cuz I did TA for the next year. But I didn't like it as much as I like biology. I honestly don't remember anything I learned from chemistry.

Leah 40:08

Exactly. It's so unnecessary. Did you know? A lot of people weren't forced to take chemistry. Fabian has never taken a chemistry class ever in his life.

Meliza Manalo 40:19

Yeah, Brandon didn't take chemistry.

Leah 40:21

Oh, what? That really blows my mind. Like, how did people get out of it in high school?

Meliza Manalo 40:28

A lot of classes that Mikie and Brandon didn't take that I was like, why did I take it? Man, I could have just flown by high school so easily.

Leah 40:40

Could have. It's those damn honors and AP classes.

Meliza Manalo 40:43

Which don't matter once you get into college. Oh my gosh, I wish someone told me that. I wouldn't have done honors. I honestly would have probably just done a bunch of Art classes. Just the easiest classes possible. And just like had fun in high school.

Leah 41:01

The only thing that has mattered for me from high school were taking Spanish. It got me out of some classes in college, like the foreign language requirement, which I took... I can't remember if there was honors Spanish, but there was AP Spanish, and I took it. But I didn't need the AP portion of it. Like I could have just taken two years of Spanish and like gotten out of college Spanish. So, I did more than I need to.

Meliza Manalo 41:33

Yeah. I remember that. So the only things okay for people who are going to college, the only thing that I think that mattered for me when I went into college was Math, English and Spanish. At least two years of Spanish or any language. I mean basic Math, because you have to take the entrance exam. And so if you did really well in English, you got to skip all those other entry level English and go straight to whatever it is 1A or whatever that's called. And same with math. If you get high enough, then you get to skip all the basic stuff, and only have to take one math class or something.

Leah 42:19

That was not my case, which was stupid. Because I took two years with Calculus in high school. Like I got to the highest point you could in math in high school. And I still had to take it all in college.

Meliza Manalo 42:36

Oh really?

Leah 42:37

They made me start all over. They made me start from... what was it? From Trig. I'd take Trig. Failed it because my teacher sucked. And then I tested out of it. I don't know why I didn't just do that, like my first year. But I got out of it because I was like there's no way. I'm sure I failed because the teacher sucks. And sure enough, I failed because the teacher sucked. And then they made me take the whole calculus series. I took three Calculus classes in college, even though I passed AP Calculus both years in high school.

Meliza Manalo 43:16

Oh, that's weird. For me, I did the entrance exam because everyone had to take that. And then I took a separate Calculus exam. So, it's a separate test. And then I was able to go straight to whatever class I took. I don't remember. So honestly, it doesn't matter anyways, because I don't use Calculus in real life. (Laughter)

Leah 43:40

Yeah, I have yet to use it. And I'm doing science. So, whatever.

Meliza Manalo 43:45

Okay, so let's see.

Leah 43:48

What's your next one?

Meliza Manalo 43:49

Oh, so this one said, 'A descriptor study found that non-type-savvy observers perceived INTJ females as not being feminine.' Yep. (Laughter)

Leah 44:07


Meliza Manalo 44:10

That's pretty accurate.

Leah 44:11

How many times someone has thought I'm a lesbian or something. No offence to lesbians but I'm just not.

Meliza Manalo 44:17

Yeah. I just talked to Brandon about this not too long ago. Because my mom is as feminine as feminine can be in her heyday, I guess if you will. Now she doesn't care. But she was into skirts and dresses. And she always had nice hair. Like all her pictures she's always dressed up. And her appearance was very important. And she had really good manners and she didn't put her elbow on the table. And she loves it. Like every Halloween I ask her, "What do you want to be?" And she always says she wants to be a princess. And she loves Princess Diana and she loves the whole royalty kind of like... like her favorite Disney movie is Cinderella? No. Snow White. She loves Snow White. How she's so proper and how she was very like put together and how she cleaned up the little dwarf houses and has a beautiful voice and very, very feminine. And then she ended up with me. Unfortunate for her.

Leah 45:38

My mom, too. She always wanted me to be super girly. And I just wasn't like... I mean, I was like that I think up until I was maybe three or four or something.

Meliza Manalo 45:49

Yeah, exactly. When we didn't have a choice.

Leah 45:53

Yeah. Because from my memory, my oldest memories, I always wanted to be a tomboy. Like, I would play with the boys. I wanted to do what the boys are doing. I wanted to be outside, I want to do non girl things. You know, I was always got told like, "Oh, you can't do that because you're a girl." What?

Meliza Manalo 46:15

Oh, I hated that. I hate when people say that. Makes us so mad. That makes me want to just do it more.

Leah 46:24

I know. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 46:26

Yeah, I was the same way growing up. Like I'm definitely more feminine now. I like pink and floral. And all the stuff. But I don't think I act feminine really. At least not like the old school term of feminine. But yeah, growing up, I played with the guys and I hated wearing dresses and skirts. My mom struggled so hard because when it's time to get ready for Church. Like man, I had the ugliest outfits when I think back on it. Because I was just forced to wear a dress or a skirt. And I hated it. And so, I just wore whatever. And I didn't care what it looked like. And I hated the feeling of it. And I just... I don't know. I hated all of it. And I hated the color pink for the longest time.

Leah 47:14

Oh my God. Me too.

Meliza Manalo 47:16

Yeah. And I refused to use a purse. And I refuse to wear heels and all that stuff.

Leah 47:23

Yeah, I would get so embarrassed because anytime that I did actually choose to do something that's considered feminine, my mom would make a big deal out of it.

Meliza Manalo 47:34


Leah 47:39

But now as I've gotten older, I have become more feminine or been okay with, I guess, being feminine. Because I think when I was younger, I just didn't want to be perceived as feminine. I didn't like the thought of that. I don't know. Because people associated it with being ditzy and dumb and blah, blah. We're just dumb. Like, you shouldn't. But now I want to be both. But I still feel like I have to try really hard to be more feminine. Like it doesn't come naturally to me to be a girl.

Meliza Manalo 48:16

Yeah. Like, I'm just now mastering the winged eyeliner. (Laughter)

Leah 48:23

Yeah. Just like the makeup routine every day. Oh my god, it's taken me years to even do what I know how to do.

Meliza Manalo 48:33

Yeah, exactly. Like it's... I don't know. Being feminine is hard. It's a lot of work.

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