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S2E9 - INTJ Stats w/ Leah Guillama (Part 2)

Episode Description:

Leah and I scour the internet for interesting INTJ statistics. We picked our favorites from the list to share in this episode. If you want to check out the ones we didn’t include in the show, here’s the link to the website:


Some parts of the transcript may be edited for better readability, but the content remains the same. Mostly removed duplicate words, vocal filler words, and added/removed some words for clarification.


Continuation from Part 1...

Leah 48:40

And then I work in a hair salon. So, it's like the most feminine environment you could be in. And...

Meliza Manalo 48:49

It's tiring.

Leah 48:50

Oh, I don't know how they do it all the time. Like, there are days I show up to work and I just did not feel like putting makeup on. And I try to do my hair because I work in a hair salon. But there are some days where I'm like, I just don't have the time for that. I'm like how do all these stylists come in every day looking all nice and like put together? Every day. I'm like how do you have the time for that? Also, I mean that's their life. They work in that. It's so hard to be a girl sometimes.

Meliza Manalo 49:27

It's very time consuming too. Because when we go out, like you know how we went to brunch for Casey's birthday? Casey, God bless her soul. She warned us beforehand. She's like, "Just so you guys know, I want to take pictures today for brunch tomorrow" or whatever. And so when she said that, obviously I kind of already knew because it's Casey and it's her birthday. So I set my alarm clock and hour before I had to leave. Like an hour and a half before I had to leave, because I know I'm gonna mess up on something when I do my makeup. And I know it's gonna take forever to do all that and my hair and all this stuff. And so I prepped for it for the whole day. I did my makeup, I did my hair and I wore a dress and all the stuff. But the moment I came home, the first thing I did was take all of it off. I just put my pajamas on and took off all my makeup and then put my hair up in the ponytail.

Leah 50:35

Yeah. Just going to work, I was talking to one of my co-workers and I was like, oh yeah, I get up like an hour and a half before I have to leave to get ready and stuff. And who I was talking to, she's always put together, always has a really nice outfit. Her hair always looks really good. Her makeup is done more than I do. And she goes, "Oh, I wake up 30 minutes before I have to leave." I was like, what? How do you do that in 30 minutes? I don't understand.

Meliza Manalo 51:13

Yeah, even with the hour and a half that I set myself, it's still not as flawless and as good as most people.

Leah 51:22

I'm so less than everyone else. It takes me so long.

Meliza Manalo 51:28

I just don't know how they do it. It really is an art form. Like makeup really is an art.

Leah 51:35

I don't have the creative brain for that kind of art. It's not my thing as much. As I want it to be because I do like makeup. I think it's fun. And I like watching people put makeup on too. Like you know, YouTube had this stuff. I get stuck watching those, but I cannot learn, for the life of me, how to do it.

Meliza Manalo 51:57

And it never turns out... like I tried following a makeup tutorial. I'm just like, why doesn't it look like that? Am I doing it wrong? Like what's happening? But that one definitely resonated with me. I know my mom loves me. But sometimes deep, deep, deep, deep, deep down in her little crevice, I'm sure she wished that I was more feminine.

Leah 52:24

Oh yeah, I know my mom does too. She's still trying to make me more feminine.

Meliza Manalo 52:30

I know. Like, every time she buys the stuff. (Laughter)

Leah 52:37

I facetimed her not too long ago. She's like, "Look what I got you!" I mean, a lot of the things that she gets me now I do actually like. But yeah, she's always buying me dresses and make up. Like I get all my makeup and nice clothes from her and Fabian. He buys all my nice clothes. He shops better for me than I do. (Laughter) It's so sad.

Meliza Manalo 52:39

It's the taste.

Leah 53:05

I know. Literally everything I get complimented on is either from Fabian or my mom.

Meliza Manalo 53:12

That's funny.

Leah 53:13

That's it. I don't think I have ever really gotten complimented on something that I bought for myself. My glasses actually. I did choose those.

Meliza Manalo 53:22

Yeah, you do have cute glasses.

Leah 53:24


Meliza Manalo 53:26

Yeah, Brandon wears jeans and a black t-shirt every single day. So, I don't rely on him for any fashion advice. Literally that's all he wears. Black t-shirt. It's so funny. Huh?

Leah 53:42

It's simple like our dad.

Meliza Manalo 53:43

Yeah, it's funny cuz he thinks it's so hilarious when we go out. He'll ask, "How do I look?" (Laughter) Shut up.

Leah 53:56

It's funny.

Meliza Manalo 53:57

I'm like, "Just like yesterday." (Laughter) Okay, your turn.

Leah 54:05

Okay. Oh, I liked this one a lot. It's number 18. 'A study examined the leisure pastimes of the 16 types. The type that most liked the item "Taking classes" was the INTJ.' (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 54:23

I thought you'd pick that one.

Leah 54:26

I tell people all the time when I graduate and I have my career and everything, I want to go to school for fun. I want to take classes that I just am interested in.

Meliza Manalo 54:37

I want to take all the classes I couldn't take in college.

Leah 54:39

Yes. People don't understand how excited that makes me to be able to take a class I'm actually very interested in. When I choose my classes before, I plan out my entire like college education. So I know every single classroom I'm gonna take for the next two years, when I sit down to do that, it's like one of my favorite things to do. I love looking in the class catalog and all the classes that are offered. And it's like shopping to me. It's like I want to take this one. I want to take that one. I want to take this one. And there's the classes that you have to take. And I'm like I don't want to take that.

Meliza Manalo 55:22

And I try to get those out of the way first. But man, there's so many classes I wanted to take but they always got filled up or whatever.

Leah 55:33

Yeah. Or it's just not like in your major. So you just can't waste time or financial aid doesn't come.

Meliza Manalo 55:43

And I really, really want to take the Religion, Magic and Witchcraft, I think is what it's called.

Leah 55:51


Meliza Manalo 55:52

Yeah, but always every single semester gets filled up. And I'm just like, why? I really want to take this class.

Leah 56:00

Yeah, it sounds like a class out of Harry Potter.

Meliza Manalo 56:03

Exactly. (Laughter)

Leah 56:05

That's why we're kids still though.

Meliza Manalo 56:08

I know. All the freakin Potterheads. Oh, my God. I wanted to take it so bad. I still want to go back just to take that class. I bet it'd be so interesting.

Leah 56:19

Yeah. I still want to take a bunch of astronomy classes. I would love to take those for fun because I feel like they would be interesting. It wouldn't matter if I didn't pass or something.

Meliza Manalo 56:35

Did I take? No. The astronomy class also always got filled up because I really wanted to take those too. Cuz I love space in general. Like I want a space themed tattoo. I just haven't figured it out yet.

Leah 56:49

I really want a moon tattoo. But I don't want it to be cliché.

Meliza Manalo 56:55

Yeah, I have a cliché moon tattoo.

Leah 57:00

You have a cliché moon tattoo?

Meliza Manalo 57:02


Leah 57:02

You do?

Meliza Manalo 57:04

Yeah. Literally the only tattoo that I have.

Leah 57:08

I can't remember what it looks like. Because I haven't seen it in person.

Meliza Manalo 57:11

It's the moon with the roses. And it has Brandon and Link silhouette on it sitting on the moon.

Leah 57:17

That's not cliché.

Meliza Manalo 57:19

Kind of is with the moon. Because moons and flowers for some reason are cliché, but there's a reason behind my tattoo.

Leah 57:26

Yeah, yours is like super personal. You got Brandon and Link on there.

Meliza Manalo 57:32

Except I do wish because Link is looking at Brandon. But I do wish Link was just looking straight forward so you can see his ears. Because I don't know if Austin still listens to the podcast. But when I showed it to him, he thought link was a milk carton.(Laughter) And I was like a milk carton? And then like looking at it, I don't see the milk carton. It's probably just a terrible picture. But now I'm just like, man, it feels looking forward, it's just so obvious that it's a dog. Or at least an animal. I don't know. (Laughter)

Leah 58:17

I can see that.

Meliza Manalo 58:18

I was like, damn it, Austin. I was trying to think like how can I fix it? I could make him bigger. Like I can make Link a little bit bigger. I don't know. Whatever. It's fine. It's there. It's permanent. Can't do anything about it.

Leah 58:33

Yeah. It doesn't matter.

Meliza Manalo 58:41

Yeah, I know what it is. Here's Link.

Leah 58:44

I can hear the pitter patter.

Meliza Manalo 58:45

Oh, is daddy home? Oh, what was that? There's like a sound. Okay. I don't know. That was weird. Anyways, what were you talking about? What was your statistic? Oh, classes.

Leah 58:57

Oh, taking classes. Yeah. We can go to the next one. What's your next one?

Meliza Manalo 59:02

That sounds like my favorite one. So okay, this one says, 'INTJs are known for being hardworking, meticulous, stubborn and strict about principles-- thus, they "naturally" meet a number of the official DSM symptoms for OCPD (Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder.'

Leah 59:22

I tend to do that one too.

Meliza Manalo 59:25

Because it's true. I know we have OCPD even though we're not diagnosed. Oh my god, you scared me.

Leah 59:32

Oh, Brandon.

Meliza Manalo 59:33

I'll close the door. Okay. I don't like when Brandon listens to me do the podcast.

Leah 59:38

Oh, I would be weird about it too.

Meliza Manalo 59:41

Okay anyways, so the OCPD.

Leah 59:43

Yeah. Because I've had several people telling me that they think like I have OCD. And I've thought about it too. I'm like, man, do I have OCD or something similar? But yeah, I definitely have some symptoms.

Meliza Manalo 1:00:01

Yeah. And like for us, it's specifically the OCPD. Because I think we talked about it. I don't know if we talked about this on the podcast, but there's a difference. So like the OCD, they have like rituals.

Leah 1:00:16

Yeah, almost like ticks for them, isn't it?

Meliza Manalo 1:00:20

But OCPD is more specific to like you stray pencils on the table or like you prefer 90-degree angles and...

Leah 1:00:32

Yeah, that makes sense.

Meliza Manalo 1:00:35

Yeah, cuz I think we're more OCPD. Because I don't have rituals. I don't flip a switch five times or something like that. It's more just like being a perfectionist. Like, I made Casey a shirt. And I apologize to her. I was like, it's not perfect. And she said, "I'm probably not even gonna notice what's wrong with it." And I was like, okay, well, I'm not gonna tell you what's wrong with it then. (Laughter) But it pissed me off because I was staring at it for a long time, because I did the heat transfer vinyl. And I was staring it for a long time. And I had my ruler out. And I thought is perfect but I missed a little spot. And then one of the letters or words weren't perfectly straight. But once you put it on and iron it on, you can't take it back off. I was just like so angry. And I stared if for the longest time. I'm just like, okay, it's a slight angle. It's not quite 180 degrees. But maybe she won't notice. (Laughter)

Leah 1:01:44

I'm trying really hard to be better about that actually. I think I've gotten a little bit better. But I do find myself not thinking about it but like, straightening everything. I'm like that at work. I don't know if people have noticed this at work. But when I'm at the desk, the desk is kind of small if has two computers and stuff. But there's no whole lot of extra space on it. So I'm constantly putting the pens in a specific spot on the keyboard. Like in a specific spot on the keyboard. And like the thermometer that we have, I put it in a specific spot, the phone goes in a specific spot. I'm always putting it and then someone will come up and use the pen or use a thermometer, or move something and I'm constantly trying to put it back. Every morning, I have to set up the desk my way if someone else closed the night before. And there's like things on the desk, I have to just... everything has to be in its spot.

Meliza Manalo 1:02:49

Yeah, I think that's definitely OCPD. But I'm the same way. I was just thinking about when we do grocery. So when we come home from grocery, we put it away. And Brandon will help me put everything away. And it's great. But I'll go back into the fridge and put them in the proper space. Cuz you know how. I think it's also because we worked in the food industry. So you can understand this. But he'll put the chicken on the top rack.

Leah 1:03:24


Meliza Manalo 1:03:25

I'm just like, no. Meat always goes on the bottom rack. And I always follow FIFO-first in first out. And so when he fills Link's like food thing for example or hit the container, sometimes he won't empty it out and then put the new one in and then put the old on top.

Leah 1:03:52

Ughh. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 1:03:52

That makes me mad, but he's like, "Well, dog food doesn't expire." (Laughter)

Leah 1:04:00

Oh my god.

Meliza Manalo 1:04:02

Still you just always first in first out. That's just what you do.(Laughter) I tried to not let it bother me. Because my mom came over the other day. And she was just so impressed about how clean the houses and how orderly it is. And she's like, "It's like no one lives here." (Laughter). I was like, yeah.

Leah 1:04:36

That's how I want my house to look like. And normally I mean it's pretty good when Fabian is gone. Also, because when he's gone, I don't spend a lot of time in the living room cuz I have no reason to be sitting on my couch by myself. So the living room doesn't really get used. The dining room right now has turned into my sewing area. But when it wasn't, it looks the same every single day. And I rarely use that too. So it gets dusty sometimes. But oh, one thing you would hate too. I was just thinking about this yesterday, but that relates to the OCPD thing, but you would hate cutting out patterns for sewing.

Meliza Manalo 1:05:28


Leah 1:05:30

It irritates me so much. So you have a big piece of fabric, right? But the shapes you're cutting out, are like really odd shapes. So I was....

Meliza Manalo 1:05:43

Oh. I get what you're saying.

Leah 1:05:46

Like, I was cutting out the shape of a swimsuit yesterday. And so you cut this out. And I try really hard to conserve the space and try to make things fit so that I'm wasting the least amount of fabric. But nothing fits together. It's like Tetris, you know, everything tries to kind of find a way, but nothing fits together. Like don't go that way. So it creates all these odd shapes in the fabric. And so the fabrics never just a square anymore, once you cut into it. And then it's annoying to have to fold it back up, because it's not a square anymore. And there's pieces hanging off and stuff. Oh, it irritates me so much.

Meliza Manalo 1:06:32

Yeah, I can totally see that. Because for the heat transfer vinyl, I was making the shirts, you know it starts off as just like this perfectly rectangle sheet of vinyl. And then you cut out stuff just like the patterns. And so I have it perfectly aligned on my computer to how I want it to be cut and how I want it to look on the shirt. Right? And so there's all this like, extra whitespace. And so I have to sacrifice. I either bunch all the words and the pictures all together so I can utilize as much space as possible. Or I keep it exactly how I want it. And just cut out and just have all this blank space. Because once I cut it, then all I have to do is just stick it on the shirt and iron it. And so when I did my first shirt, I just sat at the computer for the longest time. I'm just like, okay, do I save space? Or do I have it perfectly so that's perfect on the shirt when I iron it? Because also the other part of me doesn't want to waste anything.

Leah 1:07:45

Yes. Oh, that's the hardest. Like, I may have to print things out to cut them out. Like, oh my god, it's so hard because I'm trying to fit everything on one page. And it's just... ughh I hate wasting things. I hate it.

Meliza Manalo 1:08:04

Me too. I think that's the problem with crafting is that you do waste a lot of stuff.

Leah 1:08:09

Yeah, crafting is not environmentally friendly.

Meliza Manalo 1:08:15

It really isn't. I try to recycle as much as possible, but it really is pretty wasteful if you think about it. But yeah, OCPD that gets me I'm pretty sure we have it. I mean, this is us naturally. We have it.

Leah 1:08:34

‘Actually’ in quotation. Should we do one more?

Meliza Manalo 1:08:39

Yeah, we probably have time for one more.

Leah 1:08:42

Okay. Do you have another one?

Meliza Manalo 1:08:44

Oh, this is the one we were talking about where I was telling you that because we were literally just talking about it yesterday. This is, 'INTJs tie with ENFPs as the type with the third lowest rate of heart disease/hypertension; in fact, only 15.4% of INTJs reported experiencing these conditions.' Lowest heart rate. Yeah. We were just talking about what's your resting heart rate yesterday?

Leah 1:09:15


Meliza Manalo 1:09:17

Yeah. (Laughter)

Leah 1:09:18

Was it? Yeah.

Meliza Manalo 1:09:20

It's just like, are you alive?

Leah 1:09:23

Wait, let me see what it is right now. It's so weird, because I feel like INTJs are stressed out all the time.

Meliza Manalo 1:09:30

Right? Yeah.

Leah 1:09:32

Oh, right now, today, my resting heart rate is at 53.

Meliza Manalo 1:09:37

Okay, that's better than yesterday. Because normal is what? Between 60 and 80. Right? Something like that?

Leah 1:09:44

Yeah, I think like on average, technically 50. I know the athletic range. Athletes are between I think it's like 49 and 54. Something like that. But like, I would not consider myself an athlete. So I don't know how my resting heart rate is so low. And we were actually talking about this at work to yesterday because a couple of co-workers there also have the watch that measures it. So we were talking about it. And I was asking them what theirs were and one of my co-workers, her resting heart rate was 90 something.

Meliza Manalo 1:10:25

Is she okay? (Laughter)

Leah 1:10:26

She always had a really fast heart rate all her life. She's very skinny, she's not overweight or anything. She doesn't eat terribly or doesn't seem like it. Like she seems like a very healthy person. It's just so bad. And then the same thing with my other co-worker. She's the same way. Very thin, very petite. But her resting heart rate was like, I think it was in the 80s or something. Or maybe hers wasn't showing, but her heart rate, in that moment was really high.

Meliza Manalo 1:11:02

That's interesting. I wonder what your mom's heart rate is.

Leah 1:11:05

I know. (Laughter) I'll put my watch on her when I get there. Now it's at 63.

Meliza Manalo 1:11:12

Okay, that's not bad. It makes me kind of wonder. Cuz you know, how INTJs typically are cool and collective. And they don't deal with like... like we don't have intense emotions? And we're pretty just monotone? I wonder if that's why our heart rate is typically lower. I don't know what my resting is. I don't have a fancy watch. But when I go to the doctor's, it's typically normal. And it's usually good. So I wonder if that's just because of our personality, the way we are. Just very calm that we have a low heart rate. I just think it's funny because my dad literally died of his heart. And that's a big thing in our family. At least in my dad's side, everyone has heart problems. I don't have any.

Leah 1:12:03

My mom, she's got high blood pressure and stuff, too. I feel like I'm stressed out all the time.

Meliza Manalo 1:12:12

That's true. I'm pretty stressed all the time. But I guess it doesn't affect. Oh, no, it should affect your heartrate. I don't know. I just thought that was funny. Because we were literally just talking about your heart rate yesterday.

Leah 1:12:23


Meliza Manalo 1:12:26

I was like, oh. Maybe it's an INTJ thing.

Leah 1:12:32

I didn't even put that together. Oh, we should... There was one other statistic that we should have mentioned.

Meliza Manalo 1:12:39

Which one?

Leah 1:12:41

Because I can't remember the numbers. Like the occurrences of INTJs versus the other personality types. I forget what it is like. I know female INTJs are the rarest personality type.

Meliza Manalo 1:12:58

We're like 1%. which is like 75 million or something like that?

Leah 1:13:03

I think it's less than 1%. I think it's like 0.8% is the last one I saw. In general, INTJs make up 2% of the general population. So, INTJ is total males and females.

Meliza Manalo 1:13:19

Yeah. Okay, I did have another statistic, but I wasn't sure if I wanted to share it, because it seemed kind of odd to share. (Laughter) So, 'Only 30.8% of INTJs rate "Relationships/friendships" as "very important", which is the lowest of all types. INTJs also rated their friendships as the least satisfying of all types.' (Laughter)

Leah 1:13:48

I was gonna take that one too.

Meliza Manalo 1:13:49

Yeah, I didn't want to pick it because I didn't want family and friends to think that we don't like them and that we don't value them. Because I do have a lot of fun with Casey and Bailey and Austin. And yesterday was a blast with them and I love them. So don't get me wrong. I very much enjoy my friends. And I love doing these podcasts with them. With that said, (Laughter) I was talking to her Brandon about this too, like how it's very, very, very, I can't stress enough the word 'very'. It's very hard to find someone who is like minded like me. And maybe it's because we're only 2% of us and I've never met another INTJ and I think it's really crazy that we even met each other to begin with, and that how you even have this personality type. But I have yet to find anyone, at least like a friend that shares the same political beliefs and the same religious beliefs and the same outlook in life and the same opinions. It's very rare and it gets really frustrating. Because to an extent, I truly can't be 100% truly myself with everybody if that makes sense. Other than Brandon.

Leah 1:15:15

Yeah. I feel the same way. I feel like I've mentioned this before, but that's why I feel like my spirit animal, or whatever it's called. Spirit animal is a chameleon.

Meliza Manalo 1:15:34

Ohh. That's a good one.

Leah 1:15:36

And I do it without really thinking. I don't feel like I'm being fake around people. But I feel like I morph myself into different versions of myself around different people. It's just like I think that I naturally do. And I didn't realize it until recently. But if you look at my friend groups...

Meliza Manalo 1:15:57

They are all different.

Leah 1:15:59

My friends are very different. So, I don't know. Not that I change myself when I'm around them. But I feel like I'm... I don't know, it's like a chameleon. It's just like, I'm all different with each person that I hang out with.

Meliza Manalo 1:16:17

Yeah, I completely... Yeah. It's the same for me. Because I don't change myself. I still have my own opinions and all that stuff. And I don't agree with someone just to agree with them. Like, if I oppose them, then I oppose him. And I'll share why. But yeah, I’m not completely... Like, I'm not not myself. But I'm not 100%. I don't express everything about myself. There's definitely portions that I hide, depending on what group I'm in.

Leah 1:17:00

I think and that statistic also shows how like... I think you've heard this before, but INTJs are known for disappearing for a little bit...

Meliza Manalo 1:17:13


Leah 1:17:15

... And just reappearing, because I can go long distance of time or long. I don't know, I can't talk right now. But I can go long periods of time without talking to people. But then it doesn't make me feel like I'm any less of a friend to them, or they're any less of my friends. Some of my closest best friends, I don't talk to them for weeks, sometimes even months at a time. But then when I do talk to them, it's like nothing changed.

Meliza Manalo 1:17:50

Yeah, you just pick it up where you left off.

Leah 1:17:52

And they're still considered like my best friends. And it doesn't bother me. And I'm just bad at keeping up with people.

Meliza Manalo 1:18:02

Same, I'm trying to get better that. I'll try to ask how people are doing. It is hard, and I have to be in the mood to talk to you because obviously, they're gonna respond. Like, I don't want people to think that when I text them, is because I need something from them. I want to try to make it a habit to just text someone just to ask how they're doing.

Leah 1:18:30

I catch myself doing that, too. I'm like, oh, I need to not do that. Yeah, that's rude.

Meliza Manalo 1:18:40

Because people do it to me and I don't like it. So I don't know why I do it to other people.

Leah 1:18:51

I was watching something last night. And this character in the show, she's for sure an INTJ. But she said something that obviously is taken really wrong, and does come off very rude. But at the same time, I really understood it and I was like, dang. Am I a terrible person for being the same way? But she said something along the lines of like... cuz like her sister asked her, "Oh, do you have friends? Do you hang out with anybody?" And she was like, "I don't like to hang out with people unless it serves a purpose." (Laughter) Like, I prefer to be alone. Like, I like to be alone. And I don't hang out with anyone unless something is being accomplished. Like that's what she said in a very dead voice too.

Meliza Manalo 1:19:42

Oh. That's funny.

Leah 1:19:44

I was like, oh my God. That's me, but I really don't want that to be me. It sounds so bad. But I don't know cuz I don't naturally think about hanging out with People, unless I feel like I need someone with me.

Meliza Manalo 1:20:05

I know. I get what you're saying.

Leah 1:20:06

It doesn't mean I don't enjoy people though, or like I don't enjoy a person.

Meliza Manalo 1:20:09

Yeah. No, I get that. I get that.

Leah 1:20:13

And I'm picky with the people that I choose, too.

Meliza Manalo 1:20:15

Mm hmm. But it also serves a purpose. Okay, let's not make this so mechanical, but it does serve a purpose in the way. For example, Casey. Casey's love language is quality time. And that's what she likes doing. And that's her favorite thing to do is spending quality time with people that she loves. And so for me to spend time with her does serve a purpose because it like adds friendship points.

Leah 1:20:48

Yeah. Yeah.

Meliza Manalo 1:20:50

If you think about it from like... have you ever played Harvest Moon?

Leah 1:20:53

No, but Animal Crossing is like this.

Meliza Manalo 1:20:56

Oh, yeah. Animal Crossing. So in Harvest Moon, it's more visual because you can see how many hearts you get with each friend. So when you spend more quality time with each friend say, talk to them every day in the game, that adds friendship points, and you get more hearts. And that's kind of how I think about my friendship. (Laughter)

Leah 1:21:14

Pocket Camp has that.

Meliza Manalo 1:21:16


Leah 1:21:17

See, I think that's why I tend to go towards games that are like that. It's a lot of like tracking.

Meliza Manalo 1:21:25

Yeah. And tracking your status. There's a goal.

Leah 1:21:31

Yeah, I'm trying to get you know, the best friend photos in Animal Crossing. So I'm looking up like, how do you get there bla bla...? And then people broke it down, like you get this many points. You can't really see it in Animal Crossing. But you do get points. It is a point system for doing specific things, to become friends with them.

Meliza Manalo 1:21:55

That's how Stardew Valley is because you can marry people, too. And so when I started the game, I just scoped out. Like okay, do I want to be lesbian or straight? And as I scoped out all the people, I was like, okay. This person. I like this person's personality. And then there's a whole wiki page on Stardew Valley. And it shows what they dislike, what they hate, what they like, and what they love. And so if you give them something they love, then you get the hearts. (Laughter)

Leah 1:22:23

It's like Fable. One of my favorite things in Fable was building the relationships with the people because you can see it happening with the hearts and stuff. And so you're basically earning points for doing things for them.

Meliza Manalo 1:22:45

That's kind of how it is in real life, though, you know?

Leah 1:22:52

Here's a point. Wow.

Meliza Manalo 1:22:55

It would be so robotic

Leah 1:22:59

I know. People are gonna be like, what is wrong with them? Like know us, but don't really know us that deep in our minds.

Meliza Manalo 1:23:14

It's so funny. But that is what I think about. That's why I reserve time for certain friends and do certain things with certain people. Because I know that's what they like. And if I do what they like, then they get more friendship points, and they'll stay friends with me. That sounds really sad. (Laughter) But I mean I enjoy their friendship and their companionship. I want them to keep them in my life. So it is logical if you think about it from that standpoint. Like hanging out with people. There is a purpose to that person's point, that character you're talking about.

Leah 1:23:50

Yeah, that's why I really liked that line. I'm like, man. And the way she said it, it came across so bad. That's just how her character is though.

Meliza Manalo 1:24:03

What is this? What show is this?

Leah 1:24:07

It's called 'The Girlfriend Experience' I think. Yeah, The Girlfriend Experience. It's on stars.

Meliza Manalo 1:24:13


Leah 1:24:14

Yeah, it's an interesting show. It's definitely rated R.

Meliza Manalo 1:24:23

Like most things? (Laughter)

Leah 1:24:27

Cuz it's about like, she's an escort.

Meliza Manalo 1:24:30


Leah 1:24:31

She becomes an escort. But it's really interesting and crazy but she's definitely an INTJ. She's like a law student and stuff. It's just insane.

Meliza Manalo 1:24:46

That's interesting.

Leah 1:24:48


Meliza Manalo 1:24:49

It's funny that you mentioned the way she said it. Because Austin pointed out yesterday how monotone my voice was. Because I said something snarky. I mean, he described it as snarky. (Laughter) But it caught him off guard because the way I said it there was just no emotion, I guess, connected to it. And so, it took him back because he had to think about it. He's like, wait, what did she just say? (Laughter)

Leah 1:25:23

That's funny. I'm definitely not as monotone as you are. But I have found myself in those situations. Because what I said I didn't realize may mean more to other people.

Meliza Manalo 1:25:39

Yeah, I have to think about that, the frequency of my voice and all that when I talk to people. But that's just goes to show like, the more monotone my voice is, I feel like my voice is kind of monotone right now. (Laughter) Like it's versus the beginning of the podcast. But like, the more monotone it is, it just means the more relaxed and calm and more comfortable I am with you. So people shouldn't take it so offensively or anything.

Leah 1:26:06

It's a compliment.

Meliza Manalo 1:26:07

Yeah, cuz I said... What did I say yesterday that caught him off guard? Oh, so we were taking a picture. And then we were trying to squeeze into the picture. And so Casey sat on my lap, so that we can get into the shot. But when she sat on my lap, the way she sat on my lap, like my knee went in her butt crack. So I said, geez, Casey. My knee just went up your butthole. (Laughter) But I said it so monotone, but Austin was like, what did you just say?

Leah 1:26:40

It was like, is it a joke? (Laughter) That's funny.

Meliza Manalo 1:26:52

I thought that was funny.

Leah 1:26:53

More entertaining, though. Because you don't know. And so you have to think about it. Like, wait.

Meliza Manalo 1:27:00

Yeah. I had a friend in college, who... like I guess I've just always been monotone, but I never really thought about it. Cuz obviously, you don't really think about how you talk. But she thought I was the most hilarious person in our friend group. Like just anything that I say she would just laugh because I had such a monotone voice. But I would say, apparently, I don't know. But apparently, I would say really funny or like outlandish things, but because it's in a monotone voice, she just thought it was just the funniest thing she's ever heard.

Leah 1:27:34

Yeah. Whenever I say something that people will think or is like, really funny, which I'm not a funny person. But whenever something comes across as really funny, I really didn't mean it to be that way. It's just like, how I said it, I guess. Cuz I don't know. Cuz you don't really intend to be funny when you're saying certain things. But it comes across that way because of the way you say it. Because it is kind of monotone and you're saying it kind of serious. But people think that you're joking. So they take it as like, you know, funny. And I feel like I do that sometimes. And then people are laughing. I'm like, why are you laughing? Like, why is it so funny?

Meliza Manalo 1:28:21

I don't know. I think we're hilarious. Like, anytime we do an episode or just even in real life, not even just the podcast. And I think back on the things that we say I think we're both just really hilarious.

Leah 1:28:35

When together. Yeah.

Meliza Manalo 1:28:37

Yeah. Like it's hard for me to edit our episodes to be honest. Because I have to pause because I'm laughing.

Leah 1:28:47

I like that.

Meliza Manalo 1:28:48

And I wonder if people think we're funny. I don't know. I mean, obviously, they like the episode because my INTJ episodes are always the most popular. I don't know if they're popular because it says INTJ or if they really do think we're funny.

Leah 1:29:03

That’s probably because INTJs are searching for other people that are like them.

Meliza Manalo 1:29:07

The two percenters. Yeah.

Leah 1:29:09

Yeah. The two percent showing up.

Meliza Manalo 1:29:11

Yeah, I hope you guys think it's funny. I think it's funny. (Laughter)

Leah 1:29:19

Well, it is 02:45.

Meliza Manalo 1:29:22

All right, you need to go...

Leah 1:29:24

I need to pick up that.

Meliza Manalo 1:29:25 do that thing. What are you doing? Picking up a tank?

Leah 1:29:27

Yeah. A tank or my hermit crab. We're moving from a 10 gallon to a 20 gallon.

Meliza Manalo 1:29:34

Dang. Double the size?

Leah 1:29:36

Yeah. Well, technically 20 gallon is like the smallest you're supposed to have them in. I felt really bad. And now that Alfonso has gotten so big, I feel so bad because he can barely move around in this little 10 gallon.

Meliza Manalo 1:29:49


Leah 1:29:51


Meliza Manalo 1:29:52

When you guys get a big house if that's ever like in your future, you should just have like an aquarium room.

Leah 1:30:01

I would not mind because Fabian really wants fish. He loves fish. And he wants a big tank. He won't get a tank right now because he wants one that's big enough. But kind of a small tank, so he wants to get a big tank. So it'd be really cool to have a tank room for the fish and the hermit crabs.

Meliza Manalo 1:30:22

Yeah, that's gonna stink, though.

Leah 1:30:25

I know. That's the only thing. What I really want to do is I want several tanks. And I want to connect them all. Because you can. So that they can move in between, like, move into all the other takes. That's what I really want. But the upkeep on that is going to be crazy. And it is going to smell.

Meliza Manalo 1:30:49

Yeah. It's gonna be really humid in that room, too. I could just imagine it now.

Leah 1:30:57

Which would really suck for here in Virginia. In California it wouldn't be that bad. But in Virginia, oh my god, it's already so humid. Like everything molds.

Meliza Manalo 1:31:06

Ughh. I feel like I could smell it. Because my family in the Philippines, well it's tropical there. So it's humid and they have this giant fish tank. What's the flat, long fish called?

Leah 1:31:27


Meliza Manalo 1:31:28

No, it's that one. It's longer. It's one of those long ones. It's like one of those rare ones. you get at Animal Crossing. Something Petia an arrow Petia? That's what it's called?

Leah 1:31:45

I don't know.

Meliza Manalo 1:31:46

I don't know. Anyways, they had one. And because it's so long and big, they had to have a giant tank. And so it's like humid, and you could just smell it. And that's what I'm smelling right now, when you said you guys are getting giant tank.

Leah 1:32:00

It definitely needs to be like closed off. Anyway, I better go now.

Meliza Manalo 1:32:05

Okay, cool. Well, thanks for getting on. Thanks for doing another episode. We have another one this month that we're doing. So just think about what you want to talk about.

Leah 1:32:17

Hermit Crabs! No. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 1:32:22

Oh my god. I don't know about that. It's just gonna be you the entire time. I'll be like, uhuh. That's cool. Uhuh.

Leah 1:32:29

Yeah. Oh my god. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 1:32:32

All right. Well, have fun with you tank.

Leah 1:32:34

Have fun editing and whatnot. Whatever you're doing today.

Meliza Manalo 1:32:37

I need to poop.

Leah 1:32:39

Well, that'd be fun.

Meliza Manalo 1:32:40

Okay, bye. (Laughter)

Leah 1:32:41

Bye. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 1:32:43

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