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S2E15 - We Interview a Witch w/ Mia Russell and Delena Pt. 2 (Part 2)

Episode Description:

This episode is Part 2 of my conversation with Mia and Delena, the introverted witch, on being a witch and paganism. If you haven’t already, go check out Part 1 of this interview.

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Some parts of the transcript may be edited for better readability, but the content remains the same. Mostly removed duplicate words, vocal filler words, and added/removed some words for clarification.


Continuation from Part 1...

Delena 39:43

Yes. We were talking about plants which came from whether or not I'm a Disney Princess. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 39:54

They always say to talk to your plants.

Delena 39:58

Yeah, and I apologize to mine constantly while I'm pruning them. I'm like we'll get you cleaned up. And then if I knock something, I'm like, oh god, I'm so sorry.

Meliza Manalo 40:11

Just a little haircut.

Delena 40:15

Caterpillars though. I'm brutal with caterpillars. I'm very aggressive with caterpillar.

Mia Russell 40:22

Growing up we had tomato worms.

Delena 40:25

Oh, those are fun with the UV flashlight.

Mia Russell 40:29

And I still cannot deal with them. I can't even touch them. If I saw one, I would probably just back away slowly. Those things are brutal.

Delena 40:41

I've been away from worms since I was very small. Like earthworms. I'm not grossed of them anymore. I just think they're very aesthetically displeasing. Caterpillars are very close to that. And so I work very hard and actually touched the caterpillar. I'll get like a stick. And usually, I just take my scissors and leave it on the leaf it just cut it off, cut it in half. But if I have to pick up a caterpillar, it's like a like a process with Mission Impossible and like a stick and like this other stick and then I try to get it on the ground so I can hit it with a rock and not actually touch it.

Meliza Manalo 41:02

Oh my god. (Laughter)

Delena 41:25


Meliza Manalo 41:31


Delena 41:33

Like I said, I got I got no room for Caterpillars. (Laughter) They ate most of my basil last year.

Meliza Manalo 41:39

Oh, no.

Delena 41:41

It came back because I caught him early enough. But I had those big garden bags, like the felt ones. I had one of those that had like 10 or 11 basil plants in it. And then they were just disappearing. I parted it and they were like nine cabbage loopers just like in there. And I was like, ughhh. I had to murder them all. And that one, I got chopsticks. And I had a cup full of soapy water. And so I would pick up the worm with chopsticks and put it in the water. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 42:11

Oh my god.

Mia Russell 42:16

Where are you going with those chopsticks? Oh, I got some caterpillars to deal with.

Delena 42:20

I gotta save my basil. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 42:25

I'm glad they came back. The basil. Not the caterpillars.

Delena 42:29

They get giant.

Meliza Manalo 42:30

I love basil.

Delena 42:31

Basil smells so good. I like it in the Gnocchi soup at Olive Garden where it's all boiled and cream.

Meliza Manalo 42:41

Yeah. So hungry. I haven't eaten yet.

Delena 42:47


Meliza Manalo 42:48

It's okay. I'm always hungry. I can't blame it on not eating.

Delena 42:54

I'm less hungry and more Like my mouth gets really bored. And so I just need to chew on things.

Meliza Manalo 43:01

I really want a Bánh mì.

Delena 43:04

Is that the...

Meliza Manalo 43:06

A Vietnamese sandwich. It's like French bread? That's good.

Mia Russell 43:12

Ironically, the best Bánh mì ever had was from a vegan restaurant.

Meliza Manalo 43:17


Mia Russell 43:19


Meliza Manalo 43:20

It's not very vegan.

Mia Russell 43:22

Yeah, they don't exist anymore but it was it was called 'Mother' downtown.

Meliza Manalo 43:26

Oh, never heard of it. I also don't like seek out.

Mia Russell 43:31

Yeah, they're out of business now.

Meliza Manalo 43:33

Yeah. Um, anyways, so let's see. Mia, did you have any questions?

Mia Russell 43:39

Not that I can remember right now. I don't think so.

Meliza Manalo 43:43

Um, let's see. Let me look at my list of questions. There's one. Oh, so when people find out you're a witch what is their misconception or what is their reaction to that?

Delena 44:03

I mostly hang out with other witches. So this really only comes up at work if it comes up at all. I don't know if I've ever gotten the like, "I'll pray for you" kind of thing. I know people that have absolutely but usually those people have Christians in their family, you know? And and all of my family is tangentially Pagan that I know and hang out with. Even my Catholic friend is like super witchy. (Laughter) Yeah, that doesn't really come up very much honestly. Like I've had some people be like, "Well, what's that?" And that happens a lot. It's usually because they just have no idea that that term is even real if they've heard it before. Because they just assume it's cartoony fake. So, I'm not the best one to have an answer. I know that a lot of people will be like, "That's not real." Oh, I had one guy be like, "You really think you're a witch?" And then threatened me with like... it was some bullsh*t. Cuz I shared a thing that said that maybe you shouldn't try to be the Joker or Rick Sanchez or Tyler Durden because the point of their characters is that they're horrible people. And he got really offended by that. Like, really sh*tty with me.

Mia Russell 45:24

And he's a horrible person?

Delena 45:26

Cuz he's a bad person. And he started saying that he was going to call his Catholic ancestors down on me and do like that. And I'm like, you realize that this is just a picture of a tweet that I shared, right? I didn't write this, honey. (Laughter) I've been nothing but cool to you. And you're being a flaming d*ckwad for no reason.

Mia Russell 45:55

Yeah, that's really bizarre.

Delena 45:57

It's really weird. That's the most I think that's happened. They be like, "You really think this is real?" And it's like, hey, this is my f*cking religion, dude. It's federally recognized, dude.

Meliza Manalo 46:11

Oh, is it? I didn't even know that was a thing that a Church can be federally recognized.

Delena 46:17

Yeah, you can get a pentacle on a tombstone in the military. You can get special dispensations. I think this officially happened on paper in the early 2000s. But if somebody dies in overseas, then they have the right to have the kind of rights that they would want done. Like they don't want basic pagan or basic Christian rights because there's Muslims, and there's Jewish people, and there's atheist people, and there's Pagan people. And so yeah, it is a federally recognized religion, and they can offer like... I know, there was a guy on TikTok who in boot camp got permission because everybody leaves on Sundays to go to church. And he was like, well, bye bye Church. And his guy was like, "Hey, if you need to pray to a tree, tell me." And he was like, "Hey, remember how you said, I need to pray to a tree?" And he was like, "You have one hour to f*ck it up." And he did it. And he did it through all of boot camp. Like he would he would go have his time while everybody else had their church time.

Meliza Manalo 47:30

Nice. How progressive.

Delena 47:34

Yeah, isn't that cool?

Meliza Manalo 47:35

Yeah. No, that's really awesome.

Delena 47:38

Yeah. I could talk about Pentacles versus pentagrams. Everybody gets that wrong.

Meliza Manalo 47:44

I don't even know what that is. I mean, I've seen a pentagram, I don't know what a pentacle...?

Delena 47:50

A pentacle. So a pentagram is actually just a five pointed star that's drawn in that way with the lines. A pentacle is once you put the circle around it, and everybody calls that a pentagram.

Meliza Manalo 48:06

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.

Delena 48:09

So a pentacle, there's the four elements. Earth, air, fire, and water, and then spirit, which is the human part. And so the pentacle, the right hand, like when you're looking at it, on the right, is Earth and then air and then fire and the water and then the top is spirit for the person. And it's like the physical incarnation of our connection to the universe. And it's our cross. In the three levels, the first level is right side up, the second level is upside down, and then the third level is right side up with a triangle in it. And that's all that means. It's my cross, yo. All the things that you all associate with wearing cross and stuff like that, that's what mine is.

Meliza Manalo 49:00

Okay. Yeah, I never knew that. I just, I don't know.

Delena 49:03

Nobody does.

Meliza Manalo 49:04

Because when I look at it, I just think of like... Have you ever watched...? I don't know if you guys do like anime or whatever. But Full Metal Alchemist? You ever heard of that?

Delena 49:15

They, I think have nine points.

Meliza Manalo 49:17

Yeah. So do you do alchemy? I mean, I don't.

Delena 49:21

So alchemy is a sign of scientific study. It is the conversion of matter into another type of matter. It's not nearly the same as it was when we were discovering chemistry. It's what chemistry used to be. It was alchemy. There are some people that still practice it in the sense of them being like an herbalist or like a metallurgical type of dude. I don't. Just because science. Ughh. I know the science. I do not want to actively work and study in the silence in that sort of way. I like this. I like my plants. I want the plants to grow and sh*t like that.

Meliza Manalo 50:09

Okay. Botany.

Delena 50:12

yeah. Well, grassroots botany. Stewards of the land type of botany. Which is also kind of a really Christian thing. It's funny. There's some Christians whose Gods I'm like, that's awesome. And then other Christians, I'm like you feel icky.

Mia Russell 50:36

I know. I totally get it.

Delena 50:40

My sister in law. I mean, we're not married yet but his sister. When she talks about God, I get warm fuzzies. And I'm like, aww, that's so nice. And that lady I talked about Roots and Refuge Farm on YouTube. She is hard into Jesus. She has a medically documented, mystical healing event. Like she should not have gotten better. And she did very quickly. And she used to be a minister and all that stuff. And now they're homesteaders. And most of the time, sometimes she gets a little intense. When they start yelling about how much they love God, I'm like that's too much. But what she's just like talking about her connection to the earth and the stewardship of the land, I'm like, that's so warm and fuzzy. I love you. Tell me more. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 51:33

Yeah, there's definitely different types of Christians. I think the Church that I was in, they took they took the Bible too literally. And I don't know. I'm not into that. I like the whole, the spirituality, like the reason why they love God is because God's all loving and, you know, loves his children and everyone's equal in his eyes and whatever. That part of God is...

Delena 52:06

I could list a bunch of movies that are super Pagan.

Meliza Manalo 52:09

Okay, yeah. Ooh, yeah.

Delena 52:11

'Frozen 2'.

Meliza Manalo 52:13

Oh really?

Delena 52:14

F*ck yeah. Moana. Moana is really Polynesian. Like that connection to it. 'My Neighbor Totoro', believe it or not, is very pagan.

Meliza Manalo 52:24

I can see that.

Delena 52:25

Let's see. People say 'Brave'. I didn't like brave. It's Celtic. And it's mystical. But I have problems with Brave that I shouldn't go into. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 52:41

It'll be its own episode.

Delena 52:42

Exactly, an own episode on the problems that I have with Brave. Oh, Practical Magic. It's amazing.

Meliza Manalo 52:52

I've never heard of that.

Delena 52:52

Oh, honey.

Mia Russell 52:53

Oh, you've never seen that? Oh, no.

Delena 52:57

You got to watch you some practical magic. It's Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman, who are sisters.

Mia Russell 53:04

It's really good.

Meliza Manalo 53:04

Sheltered kid.

Delena 53:05

Their dad died and then their mom died and then they're raised by the aunts. I don't know it is...

Mia Russell 53:10

I don't remember specifically that.

Delena 53:13

I think their dad died and their mom died of a broken heart. And so they were raised by their witchy aunts. And Nicole Kidman's character starts dating a really bad dude who starts literally attacking her and spiritually attacking everybody else and they accidentally murder him. And they have to deal with his spirit coming back and possessing her and sh*t. It's really cool. Yeah, really weird description of this movie.

Mia Russell 53:47

Yeah, it's a really good movie, though.

Delena 53:48

But this movie is amazing. It's like the power of love between sisters and stuff like that. That movie's amazing.

Mia Russell 54:02

Midnight Margaritas.

Delena 54:04

Midnight Margaritas! (Laughter) There's a scene where they dance around and are singing the lime in de coconut song. And somebody just got broken up with her or something and they're upset. And she's like, "There's only one way to fix this. If they like, shoot their hands and magically turn on the blender and they're like, "Midnight Margarita". It's amazing. The movie's amazing. Halloweentown is pretty pagan compared to the other one. Hocus Pocus, that one.

Meliza Manalo 54:45


Delena 54:47

Have you seen 'The Wicker Man'? The old one? The 70s one?

Mia Russell 54:49


Delena 54:50

Okay. That movie. It's got Christopher Lee in it when he was super young. It's from 1973. It's technically a horror movie, but I have never been able to conceive of it as a horror movie. Because I just kind of think of it as like a British European taken biopic. This guy, he's a policeman. And this girl is missing. And so he's sent to this island to find this girl. And the people there practice an old religion. And he gets seduced by the hot barmaid, but he's a virgin and so their apple orchard is failing. And so they sacrifice him at the end of the movie. Just so that you aren't like, oh my God, this guy's really scary. Because it's technically a horror movie. But I watched that movie like it's just a historical biopic. (Laughter) It's amazing. Not the Nicolas Cage one. Don't watch the Nicolas Cage one. You got to watch the Christopher Lee one from 1973.

Meliza Manalo 55:59

Is it like just a remake? Or did they do like...?

Delena 56:03

They f*cked it. And then they made a follow up to that. Oh, there is a sequel called 'The Wicker Man 2'. And it's about the second couple who were missionaries and they come to the island. They get in a fight because he wants to have sex but they promise to each other but they're not married. She's got this promise. (Laughter) And they're having a fight. And she's like, "Silver ring, Steve. We have a silver ring." For years across circle, we would look at each other be like, "Silver ring, Steve." (Laughter) That movie is horrendous. Don't watch that one. (Laughter) Its 'Silver ring, Steve' kills me. Anyway, Frozen 2 had a very profound spiritual effect on me.

Meliza Manalo 57:00

I liked Frozen 2.

Delena 57:03

It's wonderful. And it's pagan as f*ck.

Meliza Manalo 57:05

It's very beautiful. I liked it.

Delena 57:07

It's gorgeous. It's lovely. And it's deep. Before I saw it, this lady on a podcast was talking about how she took her daughter to it. And how the adults are watching a very different movie than the kids are watching.

Meliza Manalo 57:21

Yeah, definitely. I like that though. I think that's why I like Disney movies because you can watch it as a kid and as an adult. And still resonate with them, still enjoy it and get the humor and stuff. Okay, so we got Wicker Man, Practical Magic, Frozen 2, and Moana.

Delena 57:45

Let me see. Because it's hard to Google Pagan movies without them being like, here's 30,000 horror movies.

Meliza Manalo 57:53

Yeah, I know. They're always like horror related.

Delena 57:55

Yeah. Oh, there's the Ghibli movie that's based on the borrowers. That movie...

Meliza Manalo 58:08


Delena 58:08

Yeah, it's 'The secret of Arriety'.

Meliza Manalo 58:16

How do you spell that?

Delena 58:16

Ghibli. G-H-I-B-L-I. It's the guys that make Kiki and Howl and stuff.

Meliza Manalo 58:19

Oh, yeah. Okay. That's interesting

Delena 58:22

They have a movie called 'Arriety'. There's a UK dub and a US dub. I like the UK dub better. The US dub is fine. (Laughter) It's the one that you can find. You know what I really liked it a twisted way is the end of Paranormal Activity 3. That's when they're back in the 80s. And in the end when they have the group with all the ladies coming up at the house, that's just cool in an aesthetic way. Yeah, that's the one in the 80s without the murder part. (Laughter) Without the part where they kill everybody and kidnap children and summon demons.

Meliza Manalo 59:07

It's hard for me to watch those kinds of movies. Any Exorcist type movies, and I think it's cuz of the whole Catholic thing.

Delena 59:16

You got deep roots in there.

Meliza Manalo 59:18

I'm just like, Oh my God, this can actually happen. This might be real.

Mia Russell 59:24

I usually end up googling the ends of horror movies. Before I get to the end because the anxiety is just way too much.

Delena 59:32

You know what's really good, it's called 'The Kill Count'. And it's James A. Janisse. And he gives a synopsis of the movie and goes over every kill in the movie. And the point is that you watch the movie and then you watch his things, but I use it to screen all the movies I want to watch.

Meliza Manalo 59:55

Oh. Okay, cool.

Delena 59:57

So I'm like, is this aggressively upsetting or will I love it?

Mia Russell 1:00:01

Yeah, it's like that website 'Does the dog die?'

Delena 1:00:04

Yes. Yeah.

Mia Russell 1:00:06

Just tells you if the dog dies or not in the movie.

Delena 1:00:08

And you know whether or not to continue. Oh. Bark bark bark.

Meliza Manalo 1:00:16

Yeah. It's hard for me to deal with movies where the dog dies. Like, I don't cry very often. But in a movie if a dog dies, I just can't hold it together.

Delena 1:00:28

It's not allowed. And so your brain is just like, that's not supposed to happen.

Meliza Manalo 1:00:34

Did you guys watch... ? I forgot. It's that lady that doesn't age. What's the name of the movie. She had like a white dog. And frickin... What's his name? Wasn't it Han Solo? was in it. What's his name?

Delena 1:00:51

Harrison Ford.

Meliza Manalo 1:00:52

Harrison Ford. Yeah. Harrison Ford was in it. But he's older. And he knew her from when they were young, but she got hit by lightning or something. And so she couldn't age anymore.

Delena 1:01:06

The age of Adaline.

Meliza Manalo 1:01:08

Yeah. Oh, is it that one?

Delena 1:01:10

I don't know. That's just the one that sounds the most like what you're talking about.

Meliza Manalo 1:01:13

I think that's what it is. But yeah, they have a sad scene about her dog.

Delena 1:01:20

Oh, no. She's remained youthful. 29 years of age for eight decades.

Meliza Manalo 1:01:25

Yeah, it's an interesting movie. But I was like, man, did you have to put that?

Delena 1:01:31

Yeah. Is that really necessary?

Meliza Manalo 1:01:34

Really is it? You could have done without it, honestly.

Delena 1:01:39

Yeah. That's how I feel about a lot of shows. Like 'The Boys' and 'Invincible'. A lot of people are like, they're so amazing and so gritty. And I'm like, you could tell the story without being f*cking gross about it, dude.

Mia Russell 1:01:55


Meliza Manalo 1:01:59

When I rewatch Futurama, I don't know if you...

Mia Russell 1:02:04

Oh, no. I know exactly what you're talking about.

Delena 1:02:06

Oh, yeah.

Meliza Manalo 1:02:07

The dog? Yeah. The one that waits for him.

Mia Russell 1:02:11

That messed me up for days.

Meliza Manalo 1:02:14

Yeah, I'm still traumatized by that.

Delena 1:02:16

I tried to watch it. And I think I made it halfway through the episode and I had to pause and be like, you're 27 years old. You could do this, but I'm like not any more.

Meliza Manalo 1:02:28

It's like who wrote this episode? They should be fired.

Delena 1:02:31

I think they got an Emmy. They have a lot of episodes like that.

Meliza Manalo 1:02:38

Mm hmm. They do.

Delena 1:02:39

That feeling coming when you're like, nooo.

Meliza Manalo 1:02:46

But yeah, that episode was very traumatizing. I can never watch that episode ever. Rest of the show is good.

Delena 1:02:55

That show's really good.

Meliza Manalo 1:02:56

It's kind of like the office. Do you know that episode of Michael's tots or something like that?

Delena 1:03:05

No, I haven't watched The Office. I've watched probably altogether, all of the parts of The Office that are good. But I have not sat down to watch The Office. I can't get into it.

Meliza Manalo 1:03:23

Well, there's this episode's called Michael Scott's tots. I can't watch this episode either. But he promised all these third graders or something, because it's one of those low-income type schools, you know? And he promised all these kids that he would pay for their college tuition if they graduate high school.

Delena 1:03:46

Oh, no.

Meliza Manalo 1:03:47

Yeah. And they come to find out he can't afford it. And they did this whole thing. They walk into him to the school and all the stuff that. I was like, why? Who wrote this episode? Why did they do this? There's just Futurama all over again.

Mia Russell 1:04:05


Meliza Manalo 1:04:06

Yeah. I was like, these writers. The rest of the show is good. (Laughter) Just that one episode. Just can't.

Delena 1:04:18

Yeah. You know that and the scene with Pam's art?

Meliza Manalo 1:04:24

Oh, yeah.

Mia Russell 1:04:24

Oh, yeah.

Meliza Manalo 1:04:29

Oh, little Pam. Okay. Anyways, we got straight away from...

Delena 1:04:33


Meliza Manalo 1:04:35

Actually, I don't think I have any more questions though on it. I don't know. Mia, did you have any more witch questions?

Meliza Manalo 1:04:43

Um, no.

Delena 1:04:46

How's your nose? Do you want to talk about that?

Mia Russell 1:04:50

I generally just try to stay away from this room. I don't really come in the house for that purpose. And when I'm home alone, I'm generally out in my trailer. So it's usually not a problem. It's just like something I'm aware of.

Meliza Manalo 1:05:13

Did you guys do the whole cleansing? Or not yet?

Delena 1:05:16

No. Well, not for me.

Mia Russell 1:05:20

No, I know we have a bundle of sage from the farmers market last year. But other than that, I don't know if we're gonna do it or not. Because it's not harassing us or anything. It's like the spider in your bathroom, you know?

Delena 1:05:41

Like, hey, buddy. This is cool and all but I got to take a shower.

Mia Russell 1:05:45

Yeah, exactly. Like, you know, it's great now, but don't say hey to me at three in the morning.

Delena 1:05:52

Yeah. I'm sleeping.

Meliza Manalo 1:05:54

That's good. I mean if he or she is not bothering you.

Mia Russell 1:06:01

No, it hasn't been a problem for a while.

Delena 1:06:04

That's good.

Mia Russell 1:06:06

Now you guys are just roommates. Yeah, some deadbeat roommate here. Doesn't pay rent.

Delena 1:06:14

There's a lot of comics about that. Where they call somebody on the Ouija board. It's like, do you live here? And they're like, yes. They're like, cool. Your share of the rent is $600. (Laughter) Then it stops answering.

Meliza Manalo 1:06:29

That's funny. Maybe he likes the podcast.

Mia Russell 1:06:34


Meliza Manalo 1:06:35

He features in it a lot. (Laughter)

Delena 1:06:40

More than last time? Or is it just last time? Has it happened more than last time? Ohh. (Mic buzzing) Your microphone started buzzing.

Mia Russell 1:06:56

Oh, is it better now?

Delena 1:06:58


Meliza Manalo 1:06:59


Mia Russell 1:07:02

Oh, well. (Plosive mic sound) How about now?

Delena 1:07:08


Meliza Manalo 1:07:09

Yeah, that's better. (Plosive mic sound)

Mia Russell 1:07:16


Meliza Manalo 1:07:16

It's because you called him a deadbeat, Mia. He didn't appreciate that.

Mia Russell 1:07:20

Sorry, Ray. You're not a deadbeat.

Meliza Manalo 1:07:24

Oh, my God. It stopped. (Laughter)

Mia Russell 1:07:31

Well, time for me to get out of this room.

Meliza Manalo 1:07:36

All right. Well, we can end it there then. (Laughter) Thanks for getting back on. And Delena if you ever want to do another episode, doesn't have to be witch related, unless you like that, just let me know. Just text me.

Delena 1:07:52


Meliza Manalo 1:07:52

We could totally do another one. Like, it could literally be about anything because my podcast doesn't have any specific theme or any subject. It's just pretty much whatever I feel like talking about.

Delena 1:08:06

Nice. Mia knows what I'm about. So yeah, Mia hears you doing any subjects, that's what I'm about.

Mia Russell 1:08:15

All right. Yeah, for sure.

Meliza Manalo 1:08:17

Yeah, and if I think of anything, that would be cool. I could talk about ghosts and cryptids.

Mia Russell 1:08:25

Ooohh. Cryptids.

Delena 1:08:27

I don't know enough about aliens. But I could figure some sh*t out. I could talk about ghosts and cryptids f*cking all day.

Meliza Manalo 1:08:36

Okay. Yeah. Ooh, we should do a Halloween episode this year. That'd be fun. We could talk about everything Halloween related. Halloween is literally my favorite holiday.

Mia Russell 1:08:53

Me too.

Delena 1:08:54

Yeah. That's my favorite Christian holiday. I'm all about the aesthetic. My favorite holiday is bread holiday, but y'all don't have that. So...

Meliza Manalo 1:09:06

Which one's that one close to?

Delena 1:09:08

Lammas. It's in August. It's August 1st.

Meliza Manalo 1:09:11

Okay. August 1st.

Mia Russell 1:09:14

Well, that's nice because August doesn't have a holiday.

Delena 1:09:17

Yeah, exactly. Cool.

Meliza Manalo 1:09:20

I'll try to remember that. All the holidays.

Delena 1:09:24

I forgot for the last f*cking two years. Oh, I can talk about how we move counter clockwise. So when you look in books and stuff, most pagans work clockwise, just because it's easier to read. But in CUSP which is the practice that my parents developed with their circle in 90s, everything like planet wise moves counter clockwise. Like the Earth spins counter clockwise, electricity spins counter clockwise. Like the setup of the veins in our bodies, I think, are counter clockwise. And so our circle, we call the elements counter clockwise. And our Wheel of the Year is also counter clockwise. But if you google the wheel the year it will probably be clockwise. But isn't that fun?

Meliza Manalo 1:10:14

Yeah. Just seeing like, we're all backwards.

Delena 1:10:17

Yeah. (Laughter) All of ya'll are backwards. But yeah, if you just google Wheel of the Year, it'll bring up hundreds of different things that explain the same thing. And that'll list the holidays.

Meliza Manalo 1:10:34


Delena 1:10:35

It's really easy because it's there every six weeks, and Yule is on the 21st of December, Imbolc is six weeks later. And then Ostara is on the 21st, 22nd of April, I think. And then Beltane is first and then Litha is six weeks later. And then it's all six weeks.

Meliza Manalo 1:10:59

Okay, cool. That's so easy.

Delena 1:11:01

So easy. It's based on the agricultural calendar. And it makes sh*t much easier.

Meliza Manalo 1:11:09

Sometimes Easter, I'm like, which Sunday is that again? The first?

Mia Russell 1:11:14

Oh, yeah. They moved it. The Pope moved it a few years ago from April to March.

Delena 1:11:21

Oh my god. Because I'm not into that. I was like, I thought this sh*t used to be in April.

Meliza Manalo 1:11:27

This is weird.

Mia Russell 1:11:28

Yeah. During my birthday every year. We used to celebrate Easter and my birthday at the same time.

Meliza Manalo 1:11:34

Yeah. I'm just like, how's the Pope allowed to tell us when Jesus rose from the dead? (Laughter) Excuse me?

Delena 1:11:46

Well, we already know that it can't be correct. If he rose on a Sunday, he would have had to be strung up on a Friday and Saturday is the Sabbath and you can't have anybody strung up on a Saturday. So you can't.

Meliza Manalo 1:12:06

True that.

Delena 1:12:07

So it's wrong somewhere. I don't know where but it's wrong somewhere already.

Meliza Manalo 1:12:12

The Pope's just like I have vacation on that day. I can't make it. I gotta move Easter back up. (Laughter)

Delena 1:12:18

I'm terrified for the time when they finally decide to move Halloween to a Saturday. Because then it's just gonna be on fucking any old day, you know?

Meliza Manalo 1:12:25

Yeah. Which defeats the purpose of it being on the 31st.

Delena 1:12:32

I mean, my Sauin is always gonna be on the 31st. But, again...

Meliza Manalo 1:12:37

It's just, you know, just a calm day. All the parents who don't want to take the kids out on a Wednesday night.

Delena 1:12:45

Exactly. And like, I get it, but I also want to know, the day that all the kids are gonna be out. I don't want to have to figure out the day that's gonna be covered with kids.

Mia Russell 1:12:53


Meliza Manalo 1:12:53

Yeah, exactly. It's just so dumb. I'm like, you know what? The world doesn't revolve around you guys. Okay?

Delena 1:13:04

It does, though. And it's annoying. (Laughter) Everything is christianized everything ever. Even Wiccan holidays are christianized.

Meliza Manalo 1:13:15

I mean, the parents complaining about taking kids out on a weekday.

Delena 1:13:18

I know. (Laughter) That is a thing that bothers me. You're taking Christmas. And it's like, you took everything! Nobody's f*cking fighting you. Alright, anyway. (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 1:13:37

We'll see. I don't think it'll happen. But I don't know people are pretty persistent when they want something. All right.

Delena 1:13:48

That's why I have an introversion. Feral Goblin with my plants.

Meliza Manalo 1:13:54

That's okay.

Delena 1:13:54

That sounds nice. Feral Goblin.

Meliza Manalo 1:13:57

Yeah, I'm pretty introverted. I mean, I think I mentioned this but I got like, 93% or something.

Delena 1:14:04

I haven't taken the test. I just know that that people exhaust me. Probably took the test in high school, but I'm sure it's even higher now.

Meliza Manalo 1:14:16

I definitely think it gets higher the older you get. For sure. I mean, I don't really leave my house.

Mia Russell 1:14:24

You wanna be 100% introvert someday?

Delena 1:14:26

No people. Not allowed.

Meliza Manalo 1:14:28

I'll probably be like, 99% when I'm retired.

Delena 1:14:35

I'm gonna live in a house on chicken legs. And when it has problems, they'll come see me.

Mia Russell 1:14:42

Okay, Baba Yaga.

Delena 1:14:43

Yes. I'll just live in the forest. I like the thing that says that Baba Yaga is probably a title. And it's just a term for older, witchy women that live in the woods. And that over the stories historically, they're probably different women. So yeah. I'll just be Baba Yaga in the woods.

Mia Russell 1:15:05

That's cool.

Meliza Manalo 1:15:07

That sounds like a dream.

Delena 1:15:09

Fly around in my cauldron with my kitty.

Mia Russell 1:15:16

Sounds ideal.

Meliza Manalo 1:15:17


Delena 1:15:19

I have my little cottage garden, growing all my nice foods instead. Anyway... (Laughter)

Meliza Manalo 1:15:27

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