S1E17 - Traveling Introvert w/ Shannon Ebler (Part 2)
Updated: Jan 21, 2021
In this episode, I am joined by my good friend Shannon Ebler. She is another one of my closest introvert friends and we talk about her adventures outside the country and her experience living on the east coast. Shannon being a social and anxious introvert, I was curious about her adventures and how she prepares for traveling. I haven’t traveled much, so I love hearing her stories. Let me know your traveling stories. Are there places you have on your bucket list? Do you have any plans in the future? Let me know on social media.
Some parts of the transcript may be edited for better readability, but the content remains the same. Mostly removed duplicate words, vocal filler words, and added/removed some words for clarification.
Continuation from Part 1...
Meliza Manalo 57:16
You know what I mean?
Yeah. Well, I feel like they're, I want to say there must be a difference in taste just because of what we would put into Gelato making it here?
Meliza Manalo 57:25
Yeah, with the ingredients and stuff.
Yeah. So, I feel like yes. But I also... That would be fun. Let's go travel and just taste test all the Gelato. (Laughter)
Meliza Manalo 57:38
Taste the different ice cream.
Uh huh. Yeah.
Meliza Manalo 57:43
God, I'm hungry. Okay,
Meliza Manalo 57:44
Anyways, but yeah, yeah. So, Rome was nice. So, you know again, with people with friends, close friends.
Meliza Manalo 57:54
Mm hmm. So, you're never like in a huge group?
Meliza Manalo 57:59
Only small groups.
Yes. So yeah, Barcelona was just me and Sarah. And that was mostly just because Markie's Spring Break started a week after ours. So, her first week was Rome.
Meliza Manalo 58:13
Oh, got that.
So, it was like us three Rome and then she spent her second week. I think it was just back with us in Leeds.
Meliza Manalo 58:20
If I'm remembering right.
Meliza Manalo 58:22
So, she didn't go to the same school you guys did?
No. Her school was in London. It wasn't city center. It was outside a little bit.
Meliza Manalo 58:33
I think it was Middlesex is where she went? Ooh. I want to say Middlesex because there's like three schools in England for our program to study abroad.
Meliza Manalo 58:50
Because there was like Oxford Brookes. Not Oxford, Oxford Brookes.
Meliza Manalo 58:56
Not the prestigious one.
Yeah. (Laughter) I don't think Sac state has ties with Oxford.
Meliza Manalo 59:05
The cheaper like state one. Not the UC but the, you know, the CSU.
Yeah. So funny. But yeah, so I think Middlesex is where she went. And Oxford Brooks was another one. That was London area at least and then Leeds. And Leeds just for to know where it is, so it's more Northern England, and kind of like center-ish of UK.
Meliza Manalo 59:40
So why did you pick Leeds over the other ones?
Why did I pick Leeds over the other ones? That's a good question. I think I did pick it because it was kind of Central to the UK in general. Just for like traveling sake.
Meliza Manalo 59:57
Mm hmm. You could like go visit the other places.
That everything is gonna... Yeah. From Leeds, everything would be about the same distance.
Meliza Manalo 1:00:05
Got it. Okay.
Meliza Manalo 1:00:10
I was so sad when you left.
There must have been at least one reason. Awww.
Meliza Manalo 1:00:13
That was a lonely semester. (Laughter) I was like, man, I have to make new friends. I was just like... because a lot of... I don't think it was just you out of my friends that left that year, too. I feel like there's other people. I can't remember. There's just something specific about that year, like everyone...
Was doing something?
Meliza Manalo 1:00:36
Yeah. Or I think some people just left Sac state too. Like, in general.
Meliza Manalo 1:00:43
Meliza Manalo 1:00:44
You know, I don't really make friends. They come to me. I don't go to them.
Yes. (Laughter) It's actually, you know, thinking about that because that's so true. Like, you know, I let people come to me like, I'm not the approacher. So, it's like, how did Sarah and I become friends? If we're both like....
Meliza Manalo 1:01:07
Yeah, I know, that's why I kind of wonder. I was just talking to my sister-in-law yesterday. And we were trying to figure out like, I was trying to figure out how I became friends with you. Because we shared a class together. Like we both... I don't remember if one of us approached each other, or we just made eye contact. And we're like, "Hey, you went to the same high school as I did", you know?
Right. And then it just took off from there.
Meliza Manalo 1:01:34
That's actually... Yeah. How? Cuz I remember because it was freshman seminar.
Meliza Manalo 1:01:39
And I remember. I don't know if it was actual day one or just early on, but you were wearing the BV like the class sweatshirt.
Meliza Manalo 1:01:51
Was I Really?
Meliza Manalo 1:01:53
How cringy. I'm gonna sport my high school sweatshirt. Cuz it's like, their 50th birthday or whatever.
Yeah, like anniversary or whatever.
Meliza Manalo 1:02:04
Yeah. But I don't know. I mean, I feel like that. I probably noticed that first. And then looked at you and was like, Oh, she's, you know, well, obviously, we're in the BV sweatshirt. So, you went to BV. Or? I mean, I guess, no. Technically, you wouldn't have to. And then, you know, I probably looked at your face.
Meliza Manalo 1:02:28
And recognized you.
Meliza Manalo 1:02:30
And only made eye contact. But we didn't say 'hi' to each other. I just remember we made eye contact and smiled.
I think that too. Okay, like we didn't talk right then. It wasn't like I walked into class and saw you wearing a sweatshirt and went right up to you. That did not happen.
Meliza Manalo 1:02:46
Yeah. I do remember you were wearing green. It was like...
Meliza Manalo 1:02:51
A lime green tank top something.
Lime green tank top.
Meliza Manalo 1:02:54
I don't know if it's... Not lime green. Like a green apple.
Okay, I was gonna say I don't know if I would wear lime green. That wouldn't look good.
Meliza Manalo 1:03:01
Yeah, not lime green. Sorry.
Meliza Manalo 1:03:04
No, no offence, you're little too white for that.
No, no, that's what I'm saying. Like, I couldn't pull off lime green. My greens have to be a little darker like olive green.
Meliza Manalo 1:03:13
Yeah. (Laughter) That's funny that we remember what we wore.
Yeah. I know what each other wore. Aww, that's so cute. You know what? I'm thinking about it more and I'm wondering because Amy Lane...
Meliza Manalo 1:03:29
...Was in our class too. And I feel like...
Meliza Manalo 1:03:32
Oh, yeah, she was my friend.
I feel like she could have known or was talking to both of us. And then maybe one of us was like, "Oh, yeah, I think we went to high school together."
Meliza Manalo 1:03:44
Okay. Oh, yeah. I remember.
I feel like she could have been part of our link.
Meliza Manalo 1:03:48
Yeah, she was a link because she was my friend first. Because I think we did like a partner thing. You know how, you know, you do partner stuff. I think, we were friends first.
Yeah. I think you're right. Because then...and then I must've... because I remember learning that Amy lived in the same dorm as me.
Meliza Manalo 1:04:07
Meliza Manalo 1:04:10
And then I would go to her dorm all the time.
Meliza Manalo 1:04:13
And then we became friends that way.
Because it's so funny.
Meliza Manalo 1:04:18
Because she's an extrovert for sure. She is just always the one that initiates conversations. And she's like the one that gets people together. And she was just like this little ray of sunshine. And I think she's the one that brought us together. So, we didn't even interact with each other. She brought us together. So funny. Okay, I remember now. I totally forgot about Amy. Oh, she was such a cutie.
Awww. I think she's still in Texas.
Meliza Manalo 1:04:49
I think so.
I think she's living in Texas. Living her best life.
Meliza Manalo 1:04:53
Yeah. I know cuz I remember she bought a house there. And I was like, What? I'm still at Chipotle. How did you buy a house?
Meliza Manalo 1:05:04
Yeah. Like dang.
But I know she is...
Meliza Manalo 1:05:06
Cuz Texas is pretty cheap.
Yeah. Oh, did you guys meet because were you both doing photography?
Meliza Manalo 1:05:13
That's how we... I wasn't doing photography but that's how we became friends. Because I was really into photography.
Cuz you were into it and she was majoring t.
Meliza Manalo 1:05:24
She was majoring it. Yeah. And then she was the photographer at a concert that I went to.
Meliza Manalo 1:05:32
Yeah, I was so jealous because as a photographer, you get to be in front of everyone. So, there's the crowd, and then they have that little fence. Then there's a little area for the photographers. And then the stage.
Meliza Manalo 1:05:45
Yeah. And so, she was on the press line, I guess, or whatever you want to call it. And then I remember seeing her I was like, "Amy! Amy!" (Laughter)
Awww. That's so funny.
Meliza Manalo 1:05:59
I was like, "Oh my God, that's my favorite band. How did you get there?" I was so jealous. I was like, how did she get to do that? But that's because she's a photographer.
She shot a lot of shows.
Meliza Manalo 1:06:10
Mm hmm. She even shot some bands. I think she shot a band from our high school too. I forgot which band.
Yeah, no, no, no. Yes. Yes. Because maybe I saw it via Facebook or something.
Meliza Manalo 1:06:26
But she was Facebook friends with...
Meliza Manalo 1:06:30
Was it the Templetons?
Yes, I think so. Jamie Templeton and Alex.
Meliza Manalo 1:06:37
Yeah. And I was like, "Wait, you know them?" And I was like... (Laughing)
Meliza Manalo 1:06:41
And I was like, "Whaat?" Yeah. Like how do you know these dumbos? Just kidding. (Laughter) But really, I was like, what? But I guess they were doing a photo shoot.
Meliza Manalo 1:06:53
Was a damn photo shoot for them. Which is interesting. Like, I wonder. I don't think they got very far though. I don't hear them anywhere.
I don't know. I don't know what their band name was. I don't know.
Meliza Manalo 1:07:10
Oh, we just... It's Green Light District. Because we watched, for some reason, we were watching BVTV. Oh, because they were interviewing. And they still are on YouTube. BVTV. I think they're called something else or someone bought them, or I don't know, whatever. However, it worked. And they still do interviews for people. And we were like, wait, this is still like a thing? They still interview bands. But they still kept all the YouTube videos from when they first started when we were in high school.
Meliza Manalo 1:07:48
And we were like, "Oh my God." What's his name? Evan? Evan something.
Meliza Manalo 1:07:58
That's the only Evan I can think of right now.
Meliza Manalo 1:07:59
Yeah. So, he was the host at the time.
Okay. Is that right?
Meliza Manalo 1:08:04
So, all his videos are in there. I think so. I think this is him.
Meliza Manalo 1:08:09
All his videos are still on there on YouTube. I'm like, dang, these are relics. (Laughter)
Aww, that's cute. But crazy. Okay, that little tangent. That was fun.
Meliza Manalo 1:08:27
Down the memory lane. Oh, man. I wonder how many, I don't think, well, I'm not friends with a lot of people from high school. So, I doubt they'll listen to this. Maybe they will. I don't know.
Maybe. Who knows?
Meliza Manalo 1:08:40
Hey, if you're listening, you know.
Meliza Manalo 1:08:44
Hi, DM me.
Slide into my DM.
Meliza Manalo 1:08:51
If you want to get on the podcast, you know. Let's talk.
Yeah. Let's talk. You're so funny. (Laughter) I mean, who knows? Maybe I'll share this on my social media.
Meliza Manalo 1:09:06
Yeah. You should.
Like, I did a thing.
Meliza Manalo 1:09:09
Yeah, I went on a podcast with...like, I think I'm at 50 listeners.
Awww. Hi everyone.
Meliza Manalo 1:09:18
Yeah, so it's like, there's 50 people listening to me! A lot of it I'm sure are friends and family. But there's other strangers.
But still. You don't know 50 people.
Meliza Manalo 1:09:30
Yeah, I don't. (Laughter) I mean, other than family, but I don't think they're all listening.
They're not all listening. So, it's some other people too.
Meliza Manalo 1:09:41
Yeah, I have few listeners outside the country too. Like a couple of them. Which is interesting.
Hello! Hello outside listeners.
Meliza Manalo 1:09:51
Meliza Manalo 1:09:51
Meliza Manalo 1:09:52
We're not all bad. (Laughter) You know, there's always that stigma about Americans for some reason. Hold on, Link is barking.
Meliza Manalo 1:10:06
Link. Okay, I guess he is stopping. I don't know.
At least for now.
Meliza Manalo 1:10:13
Okay. We're gearing back towards what we were talking about.
Meliza Manalo 1:10:18
Yeah. So after... Let's see. So, after you studied abroad, where is that, like, when you... When did you go to Boston? Did you travel between then in Boston?
I don't think so. Oh, I do just want to... before we leave studying abroad.
Meliza Manalo 1:10:37
Before we leave England.
Yeah, we're leaving England. Because I did do, and I think I texted you this too. But I did do two solo trips when I was in England. And they were just both weekend trips. But I had to do them by myself.
Meliza Manalo 1:10:57
Ooh. That gives me anxiety.
Meliza Manalo 1:11:05
I mean, at least they know the language. So that's a plus.
Right. And they were, what the first? I think they were just weekends, like bac- to-back weekends, too, is how it ended up being scheduled and everything. But so, I went to Edinburgh. So, Scotland. And then the next weekend I went to Cardiff, Wales.
Meliza Manalo 1:11:28
Meliza Manalo 1:11:30
That's where Link is from. Well, not him personally.
But, like his breed.
Meliza Manalo 1:11:35
But his breed. (Laughter) No, Link is from Sacramento.
Meliza Manalo 1:11:43
Awww. But yeah, so I did those two trips.
Meliza Manalo 1:11:52
How was that?
They were good. So, it was kind of like, when I was talking earlier, when I did that little conference thing of like, 'I'm here. Like, I need to do this.' And it's funny. I guess kind of funny, but also kind of way of like, I was supposed to go with people? For both of these trips. And then it just didn't, you know, work out and pan out.
Meliza Manalo 1:12:19
Pan out. Mm hmm.
And so, it was just me being like, I need to still go, right. I can't not go just cuz no one can come with me. When am I gonna be able to do it again? You know, who knows? Like, I haven't been able to go back to England yet. So...
Meliza Manalo 1:12:36
Yeah, good point.
You know, it's been years since this. So, it's like, yeah, I need to do this. So, I did it.
Meliza Manalo 1:12:46
I'm here to tell the tales. They're not exciting tales. Right? But I mean, I had a good time. It was weird, though. Because it was probably the most I haven't talked to people in a long time. And it was just, you know, it was a weekend. So, I think there was like, you know, three days, three-ish days. It was just like; I didn't talk to people.
Meliza Manalo 1:13:22
Interesting. So, it was just like...
Like I talked to the people I had to talk to you. But I wasn't like socializing and talking to people. Really.
Meliza Manalo 1:13:29
Yeah. That sounds kind of nice, actually.
Yeah. Like it was kind of weird too. And I don't know if other introverts kind of feel this way too, but feeling like, should I be talking to people? Do other people notice I'm not talking to them? And they think I'm weird? You know, like, do I need?
Meliza Manalo 1:13:51
Oh, yeah. That's your anxious introvert talking.
Yes, it is. So, it's like, do I need to talk to them? And it's like, well, no. No, I don't. I really don't. Because I don't need these people to be on my little trip.
Meliza Manalo 1:14:08
Like, they're not why I'm there.
Meliza Manalo 1:14:11
Yeah. Well, there's this slight obligation for some reason. To socialize.
Yes. Well, that's like, okay a mini tangent of like... I think maybe I messaged you a little bit about this, too. But the best example I can think of is car rides.
Meliza Manalo 1:14:29
So, being in the car, I am perfectly fine with silence. And not talking in the car. I like to have the radio on. Because then it's not as weird, I guess. But some people, you know, need to fill the void. And when I'm with my friends, you know, it's like, we'll have conversations. It's fine or whatever. But sometimes, if there's a lull, I don't feel like I need to feel that lull.
Meliza Manalo 1:14:57
Yeah, like it's not a big deal.
Yeah. But sometimes in my head, I'm like, do I need to fill this void? Like are they fine? And then I'm like, why am I trying to cater to this other person? Or you know what I mean?
Meliza Manalo 1:15:15
Like, why do I feel like I need to do that? Like, I'm fine in the silence. It should be fine. But I'm worried about like, is it weird?
Meliza Manalo 1:15:25
Yeah. No, I totally get that. Cuz I'm totally fine with silence too. Like, it's not a big deal to me. But I feel like it's a big deal to other people. Like, I need to entertain them.
Yes. And it's like, but why is it on me? Why am I so worried about it?
Meliza Manalo 1:15:43
Like you shouldn't have to be.
Meliza Manalo 1:15:44
Cuz if they want it, then they should talk.
And they should be the one. Like, I don't have anything to say if you have something to say like, okay, great. But yeah, I'm so worried. It's like, oh, we're not talking. Do they think it's weird? Are they like, oh, no one's talking? But...
Meliza Manalo 1:16:01
I know, sometimes.
Yeah. So, that was kind of, you know, in Edinburgh too. It's like, do I need to? It's like, well, no, I don't need to. If I'm fine not talking to people, that's how it is.
Meliza Manalo 1:16:13
Yeah, exactly. Because were you like in a tour bus or something? Or just in public transport?
So, it was public transport up there. Just a coach of us. Fancier bus, up there. And so, you know, got up there, made my way. I stayed in hostels, both in Edinburgh and in Cardiff. And it's like, I don't... like there weren't... Like, people were out and about. Like when I... I remember Edinburgh too. When I got to my room, you know, no one was there. So, it wasn't like, "Oh, hello, I'm also staying in this room." Or, you know?
Meliza Manalo 1:16:54
So, it's just people are, you know, out doing their thing. And I think that's also kind of a culture of hostels if people are doing their own things. And I guess maybe if I were there, like a longer time, probably the two nights or whatever, then maybe you're seeing these people more, and then you might want to say something. But I don't know. You know, both of these trips were short. But yeah. And then, so these trips, also, both of them, I had planned, you know, this is what I'm doing. This day, this day, this day. I have these activities that I'm doing to stay busy. And I think that, at least for me, that helps me too.
Meliza Manalo 1:17:39
And like I said before, I mean, I'm a planner. I have at least a general idea what I'm doing. And you know, I have these plans, I could do whatever I wanted to. Which is also a nice thing of solo or even just a smaller group. You can do whatever you want. Right? You don't really have to stick to a schedule really.
Meliza Manalo 1:18:02
I love it. Yeah.
It's give and take of it. But yeah, Edinburgh, I mean, England, UK in general, too. But just the drive up, it's just so pretty there. It's so green. And I remember little lambs and sheep on the hill.
Meliza Manalo 1:18:22
Awww. That sounds nice.
Right? It was just so pretty. Like, the best way I can describe it is it was green. Because they get, you know, rain.
Meliza Manalo 1:18:29
Yeah. Unlike here.
It's wet over there. Yeah. But so, it's just really pretty.
Meliza Manalo 1:18:37
That sounds like a very peaceful and relaxing trip.
Yeah, it was. Because I think... Was it the first thing I had planned? I don't know. I can't remember. Whatever, it doesn't matter. But I did like a city bus tour. Right? So, it must have actually, it must have been one of the first things I did. So, I think I did this bus tour. And it's one of those ones that I think it is technically like a hop on hop off, but I stayed on the whole time just to get the lay of the land. You know, like, see everything. So, did that. And you know, it has like an audio thing to it. So, listening to all of that. So, did that, saw some sights of the city. So, at the last, you know, the end or the last drop off point or whatever, so got off there. And you're like in the city center. And it's, oh, let me do some googling because it's like... (Typing)... Prince... Princess... Monument... Scott monument? Okay. It's Princes. Not princess but Princes Street. And so, I don't remember what the Scott monument is exactly. Like who it is or why it's there? But it's like this big park, right? So, it's this big, long park in the middle of the city. And just flowers and grass and people lounging out, enjoying the weather.
Meliza Manalo 1:20:14
Oh, that sounds good.
And so, I just like, I walked through that because at the end of it or whatever is the castle, Edinburgh Castle.
Meliza Manalo 1:20:23
And so, you know, walk through that. And then I went to the castle and I had myself a little castle tour.
Meliza Manalo 1:20:31
That sounds nice.
Yeah, it was. It was really nice. I can't remember too much. But because it's up, you know, on a big cliff. I don't know if you know what...
Meliza Manalo 1:20:45
...it looks like. But when I was down in the park area, so it is up on a hill.
Meliza Manalo 1:20:53
From the park view. So, you know, it's up. Protected.
Meliza Manalo 1:20:59
Good vantage point for a castle, right?
Meliza Manalo 1:21:02
But so, it's just, it was very pretty and good. When you get up their too good views of the city.
Meliza Manalo 1:21:12
Meliza Manalo 1:21:15
That's nice. I've always, I've told this too. But I live vicariously through you. Because you've done so. Just even the study abroad. Like, I was never in a position that I could do that financially. So, it's really cool. Like, I'm seeing your pictures and when you came back home, and we were talking about it and all the stuff. I'm just like, I was like, oh my God. It's like a fairy tale.
Yeah, I'm definitely lucky enough to have done the traveling and everything.
Meliza Manalo 1:21:51
And then, like...
Not everyone can do that.
Meliza Manalo 1:21:54
And I've not traveled a whole lot. So, I'm an avid traveler.
Meliza Manalo 1:22:00
Yeah. It kind of all started from then though. Cuz after that, then you moved across the country for school. Like Shannon's leaving me again.
I know, right? I left you again. And that time for longer, too.
Meliza Manalo 1:22:18
Yeah. Cuz I was...
I mean, at least like, it was two years.
Meliza Manalo 1:22:21
Yeah. Two years. But you came home for the break?
Yes. Yeah. I came home for breaks. So, I was home for the winter break and for summers. Oh, it was like a couple months at a time. It wasn't like a solid two-year engagement.
Meliza Manalo 1:22:36
Yeah. So, I still got to see you. When you came back.
Yes. For like your birthday. And then I'd leave.
Meliza Manalo 1:22:44
Yeah, exactly. Happy Birthday. Bye b*tch. (Laughter)
Meliza Manalo 1:22:55
I was not shocked. But I was like, man, I don't know if I could do it. People do it all the time where they just up and leave and go somewhere completely different. But I don't know if I can do that. Like I've moved a lot in my lifetime, but they're always not that far away from each other. Like it's all been in California.
Yeah. (Luna growling)
Meliza Manalo 1:23:21
Yeah, I know. That was Luna. She's actually sitting on my lap right now. So, you can probably hear her a little better. I don't know what they're reacting to. Kenzie, are you okay? She's like laying down just kind of like, uhh, uhh.
Meliza Manalo 1:23:40
Listeners are probably like, Wait, how many? Because you said Lexi earlier.
Meliza Manalo 1:23:45
Then Luna. Now Kenzie.
So, I have three dogs that are in my room with me right now. And they're all being well behaved for the most part.
Meliza Manalo 1:23:55
You only have one cat, right?
I have one cat. The house has two cats.
Meliza Manalo 1:24:02
Oh, Okay. Right.
Yes, we are a full house. But my sister has a cat and two dogs. And then I have a cat and a dog. And then I guess Kenzie and Luna are like, you know, I don't know if the family ones my "mom's" quote unquote. I don't know?
Meliza Manalo 1:24:28
Yeah. Wait, so...
So, they're everyone's. But Lexi is mine. And Sophie is mine.
Meliza Manalo 1:24:33
Okay. I was gonna say, oh, wait what?
Yeah. Well, it's weird because we're all here together. That's peculiar right now.
Meliza Manalo 1:24:41
Yeah. So additional to Lexi, Luna and Kenzie, your sister also has other dogs?
Meliza Manalo 1:24:50
Oh my God.
Meliza Manalo 1:24:52
So, there's five dogs.
Yes. And so, it's like, yeah, we have anywhere between three to five dogs at our house. Just because, I mean, they've been here for a while, but they do also stay with my sister's fiancé. So, yeah. Right now, they've been here for a while, but they do also stay with him. Because he is quarantined with his family.
Meliza Manalo 1:25:21
Oh, I see. Okay.
Meliza Manalo 1:25:24
Yeah. So that she's just there because she can't go to school right now, Right? Because they're all... Yeah. All the school is in the lock down...
Yeah, the school is online. Yeah. So, she's staying here. So, the dogs kind of come. Their two dogs come between the house.
Meliza Manalo 1:25:39
But we have the bigger yard and stuff like that. So, it's nice for them sometimes to go out and stretch their legs. Yeah, so it's busy. We have a lot going on.
Meliza Manalo 1:25:55
Yeah. That's a lot of dogs.
It is. It's a lot of dogs. They're all really cute, and they all have their quirks though, too. So...
Meliza Manalo 1:26:04
Yeah, I'm sure.
Yeah. Yep. Okay, but dog tangent. (Laughter)
Meliza Manalo 1:26:10